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Do you wish more people knew about tulpas?

Yes
7 (26.9%)
No
13 (50%)
Undecided
6 (23.1%)

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Tulpa Awareness
« on: September 30, 2013, 09:02:30 PM »
Hey Guys,

I was thinking about this earlier, and I decided the best place to ask for opinions was here c:

I wanted to know what you guys think about making more people aware of tulpas? Would you rather keep our existence somewhat hidden, or do you want to spread our knowledge to everyone?

Personally, I wish more people knew we existed. Sometimes, when I talk to people my host knows, I have to pretend to be human, and lie to them so that they don't view us both as crazy or liars. 
« Last Edit: October 08, 2013, 07:39:00 AM by Sands »
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Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 09:06:01 PM »
I could easily argue both sides of this. But I'm curious what the communities opinions are.
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Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2013, 09:06:47 PM »
Why would you use tulpae in the title, and then use tulpas in the message?
Also, either way, it would be "tulpa awareness". Not plural.

Anyway, I do not wish the phenomenon to become more widespread for many reasons. The main being that enough people abuse tulpas (even if they don't have one) enough as it is. If it became a well-known thing, think of the tragedy.

Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 09:15:27 PM »
Anyway, I do not wish the phenomenon to become more widespread for many reasons. The main being that enough people abuse tulpas (even if they don't have one) enough as it is. If it became a well-known thing, think of the tragedy.

That's a good point, but I seriously doubt many people would spend that much time creating a tulpa just to abuse it.

I'm sure there are some people who would abuse tulpas, and although I'd like to guess or at least hope that their numbers are very few, even one tulpa being abused is a problem, that needs to be solved, and I'm not really sure how we could go about solving it.
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Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2013, 09:39:16 PM »
I'd honestly prefer public knowledge of multiplicity and DID to be a little bit better before the phenomenon becomes any more prevalent. The way these people are viewed is rather horrid and seeing as how similar the tulpa phenomenon is to healthy multiples(since some would argue that healthy multiplicity is actually comprised of accidental tulpas and vice versa) I feel like we would only be adding fuel to the fire rather than helping the situation, at least as we are now.

Maybe in the future things will change, but as it is now there are still people who lose their jobs, children, etc. because of their multiplicity, even if they do not suffer from it as a true disorder and it is as simple and positive as the tulpa phenomenon has been.

I feel if people had better understanding of how a mind could behave differently from the norm and they were treated seriously then we might see people creating tulpas with a more serious mindset. Maybe.

Right now I could go either way, but I'd rather not, uh, advertise tulpa creation so boldly. I saw a tumblr post that was getting a few notes that was essentially "Lifehack: Bored or lonely?? Make a tulpa!!!" which made me cringe. If the tulpa phenomenon spreads, I hope it's not in that fashion.

Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2013, 10:04:57 PM »
I really wouldn't want yoloswag tulpas. Telling your friends and relatives about tulpas is fine imo, but advertising them can only bring about bad things, no matter how I look at it.

Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2013, 10:12:03 PM »
I'd honestly prefer public knowledge of multiplicity and DID to be a little bit better before the phenomenon becomes any more prevalent. The way these people are viewed is rather horrid and seeing as how similar the tulpa phenomenon is to healthy multiples(since some would argue that healthy multiplicity is actually comprised of accidental tulpas and vice versa) I feel like we would only be adding fuel to the fire rather than helping the situation, at least as we are now.

Maybe in the future things will change, but as it is now there are still people who lose their jobs, children, etc. because of their multiplicity, even if they do not suffer from it as a true disorder and it is as simple and positive as the tulpa phenomenon has been.

I feel if people had better understanding of how a mind could behave differently from the norm and they were treated seriously then we might see people creating tulpas with a more serious mindset. Maybe.

Right now I could go either way, but I'd rather not, uh, advertise tulpa creation so boldly. I saw a tumblr post that was getting a few notes that was essentially "Lifehack: Bored or lonely?? Make a tulpa!!!" which made me cringe. If the tulpa phenomenon spreads, I hope it's not in that fashion.

I agree that we need to proceed with caution, or not proceed at all.

If we could correctly explain to the public how tulpas work, and how to be responsible with creating them, then I think we could do alright  :smiley:

The best way to do this however is still up for debate  :cheesy:
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Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2013, 10:16:57 PM »
I really wouldn't want yoloswag tulpas. Telling your friends and relatives about tulpas is fine imo, but advertising them can only bring about bad things, no matter how I look at it.

Yeah, having tulpas become a fad would be a terrible thing, and it could lead to a lot of people starting something that they can't properly complete.

But I'd like to think that being aware we exist is very much different than telling everyone to go make one.

There are some people in this world whose lives would be greatly improved with a tulpa, but theres a chance they might never know.
There are some people in this world who would be amazing hosts, but theres a chance they might never know.

Some people should create tulpas, some people shouldn't. We need to somehow get people to understand that.



« Last Edit: September 30, 2013, 10:19:10 PM by Minty »
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Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2013, 11:20:10 PM »
As of right now, I wish LESS people knew of tulpa.

Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 10:10:24 AM »
You can change the topic title yourself and I suggest you do it. Tulpae is a nonsense word that means nothing.

Right now, I'd say tuppers are dangerously close to mainstream, but because of the heavy advertising done before, the community (all the possible tulpa communities meant by that) is... Well. Let's say that it grew too fast and no one was willing to limit the direction it was growing. Sometimes a good thing, not so good when you get some pretty special people joining the different tulpa communities. Tulpas aren't something you want to show anyone anymore, really, so it's better if this stayed out while it's still in such a shitty state. The most used tulpa websites are full of horrible and immature people, some don't even actually believe that a tulpa is something more than a roleplaying character yet say they have one and let their "tulpa" (read: themselves playing a role) speak online. That sure doesn't hurt us in any way, nope.

The best case scenario would be to truly make this into something scientific. But there's not really anything we can do to help that ourselves, unless one of you is made of money. I guess the best thing we can do right now is to create a good community that is full of good information and doesn't make you cringe as you read the stuff posted. Maybe then I'd feel better about sharing tulpas with other people.

But now, a lot of pretending has to be done online and in real life so we don't seem crazy. That's one of those things I would like to see changing, for my tupper's sake. But right now, it would only go in a worse direction if tulpas went super mainstream.

Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 10:51:33 AM »
When I think of tulpas going mainstream (that is, even appearing on the news as a recent hype), I see a number of things happening.

For one, there would be lonely teenagers who would start making them, and then putting the blame on their tulpas for everything they might've done wrong. Even for extreme cases like when being convicted of crime, they would be able to say "it wasn't me, i was switched and my tulpa did this without me being aware of it" and this would of course cause issues if said person would be imprisoned, because moralfags from everywhere would start debating how that person is innocent and in jail.

Next, there would be such a large amount of controversy about it that it would be unbearable. If you look at #tulpa.info or the tulpa.info forums, many discussions/arguments on there are either:

A) Semantic arguments
B) Muh feelings and opinions
C) Anecdotal evidence treated as absolute proof
D) Issues that shouldn't even be issues (i.e. "halp someone impregnated my tulpa and isn't willing to pay child support")

In short, it is the relatively large number of members who do not take tulpas and tulpaforcing seriously that are ruining tulpas and their image. There are plenty of reasonable tulpamancers and tulpas out there, who will be as fair as they can be (i.e. saying "i know i can't prove my existence to you, but you can always make one yourself and have them do it for you" as opposed to "Are you implying that I'm not real!!???") when it comes to this subject, but somebody who enters the community and sees things like tulpa magick, pregnancy, marriage and other nonsensical topics that usually have nothing besides drama or speculations and empty claims behind them will not give the reasonable tulpamancers a chance, because their image of this phenomenon has already been ruined.

So, in my opinion, even if tulpas had scientific research behind them and were a proven phenomenon with their possibilities and restrictions, I still wouldn't want them to become mainstream. The more people there are, the higher the chance is that these communities will turn to shit.

tl;dr
As of right now, I wish LESS people knew of tulpa.

Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 09:41:05 AM »
My biggest concern with the mainstreaming of the tulpa phenomenon would be the large increase of people using them to escape reality. There really should be a set social competence standard before learning about it.

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Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2013, 09:00:09 PM »
I don't really know anyone that should know about tulpas, so I'd rather keep it on the down-low.

Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 12:00:34 PM »
In general, I would answer a huge no to this ("Should the tulpa phenomenon be 'more mainstream'?").

I'm not against community growth, or the spreading of knowledge and useful information, however this can be something that is difficult to bring about in a conducive manner.
With the perspective that a lot of people, some uninformed, others immature, view tulpas from, tulpa communities could easily take a turn for the worst (some could say they've already taken one many turns in this direction. Maybe after 4 turns we'll end up back where we started) if such a thing happens (albeit slowly over time).

I saw a tumblr post that was getting a few notes that was essentially "Lifehack: Bored or lonely?? Make a tulpa!!!" which made me cringe. If the tulpa phenomenon spreads, I hope it's not in that fashion.
This is a great example of a bad way for tulpas to spread, and there are many others. People using them as excuses for their actions, people using them to brag or act superior to others (or attention-whore), people viewing them as role-playing, and in general, just the widespread misinterpretation of many things.

Unfortunately, it could be the case that all it takes is one small event (A post to the frontpage of Reddit, or a tweet from someone popular) to severely popularize aspects of the tulpa phenomenon, and depending on how such an event would play out, it could cause some long-term problems, especially for the larger communities.

I think it's a good plan to (try to) keep tulpas where they already are, and not force them into other communities, where the conditions would be very suboptimal.

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Re: Tulpae Awareness
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2013, 02:41:30 PM »
Heck no, I would hope less people knew about tulpas.
I wouldn't mind telling others about tulpas, it's just the scum that can be attracted and that can ruin everything for others.
If I were to tell other about tulpas so they could become serious tulpamancers, I would need to find a way to tell the right people.
Which is hard.
Like, shouldn't there be some kind of test to be made up or something?
I think there's barely such a case as insta-tulpas, it's a rare when that sort of thing happens. If that truly happens good for you.
But tulpas are friends, not trophies with a made up story to impress people.