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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2013, 12:02:54 PM »
Nope. It's a person who had tons of trouble, got help, realized things and now has a vocal tupper and is super happy about it. Kinda what you want to do so maybe you could learn something from his journey.

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2013, 05:03:00 AM »
Oh, coolio. My stuff is recommended apparently.

Albeit only on a seemingly sarcastic PR, so idunno what to make of that.

Re: Avalanche's news report
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2013, 05:25:08 AM »
I dunno how much Sammy actually can or will learn from it, considering how different the two of you are in the tupper department, and also considering the length of that diary of yours. From what I understand, he wants something to speak to him without him willing it. He doesn't seem to want it to be "automated" in the way I traditionally prescribe, but rather "come from someone else", and shuns my guide's parroting approach as such, even despite that I tell him he won't be able to tell a difference in the end when the voice would've become automated and unique-sounding. As far as I understand, the voice may not "sound like him", either. Furthermore, I don't think he cares about belief, "listening", or "feeling" for a voice, so much of Colonel's and a few other peoples' advice from the IRC was rendered null in usefulness.

I think his problem in this case is simply an underactive imagination. It's also difficult to use the word "imagination" around him because he, based on the talk I had with him, seems to differentiate between "imagination" and "hallucinations". From what I could tell, he also doesn't want the tupper to come from the imagination, but his "subconscious", the mythical source of tuppers.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2013, 09:38:53 AM »
I dunno how much Sammy actually can or will learn from it, considering how different the two of you are in the tupper department, and also considering the length of that diary of yours. From what I understand, he wants something to speak to him without him willing it. He doesn't seem to want it to be "automated" in the way I traditionally prescribe, but rather "come from someone else", and shuns my guide's parroting approach as such, even despite that I tell him he won't be able to tell a difference in the end when the voice would've become automated and unique-sounding. As far as I understand, the voice may not "sound like him", either. Furthermore, I don't think he cares about belief, "listening", or "feeling" for a voice, so much of Colonel's and a few other peoples' advice from the IRC was rendered null in usefulness.

I think his problem in this case is simply an underactive imagination. It's also difficult to use the word "imagination" around him because he, based on the talk I had with him, seems to differentiate between "imagination" and "hallucinations". From what I could tell, he also doesn't want the tupper to come from the imagination, but his "subconscious", the mythical source of tuppers.

Mostly correct, Fede-sama.
Firstly, you say that in the end after using your guide, you won't be able to tell the difference. But doesn't the fact that you know that this happened mean that you can tell a difference? You remember what the voice originated from, so regardless of whether you can or cannot tell the difference at the end, you still know where it comes from, i.e. you. So that renders it useless.

Secondly, I do care about belief, just not blind belief. I simply cannot just "believe" until something happens. I listen all the time, I don't understand where you got it that I don't care for listening. Feeling for a voice is just like listening, but more meta than I'd like.

Lastly, I still don't understand what you mean by an underactive imagination. My imagination is lacking? I can't imagine a tupper well enough? Well that's good. I don't want to imagine a tupper. I don't want an imaginary friend. I want to hallucinate a tulpa. Two different things, in my eyes. I've had imaginary friends before, and guess what? They're 2 dimensional and boring.
If it doesn't come from my imagination, then it isn't under my control (imagination is an umbrella term for me to describe the parts of the brain I regularly control), thus it comes from the remainder of the brain somewhere, the subconscious (another umbrella term).

Also this isn't a sarcastic PR jesus christ I'm super serial
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2013, 11:56:43 AM »
Tried Eye-Bo, you nerds. Theta, descending.

I made my room as dark as possible, put on the ol' headphones and closed my eyes.
The light sort of made my eyes relax more and I tried to relax my body as much as possible (hard in this chair, though).
The sound started to speed up and sort of meshed into one at about 10 mins in, and I also heard what sounded like a xylophone being played, three descending notes in qucik succession every second or so, but really dull.
I got quite relaxed, and when I was done I was all slippery and flopsy.

So in summary, more of an effect than Fede's shitty tones, but that was to be expected. My eyes feel fitter and healthier as a result or this program.

In closing, Libya is a country of contrast thank you for listening
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Re: Avalanche's progress trifork
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2013, 12:43:24 PM »
Firstly, by "not being able to tell a difference", I'm referring to the point that, given you'd use my parroting method earnestly, you probably wouldn't be able to tell a difference between the "automated" tupper and a tupper brought to life through painstaking narration. However, I acknowledge your mindset doesn't appreciate forming tuppers from having fun with one's imagination, so I'll just let you do your narration thing yet again, I suppose.

Secondly, oh well. Again, from what was said in the IRC channel, I got this impression.

Lastly, this seems to be nothing more but a definition quarrel, which was why I later went on to say you were underhallucinative, a neologism for rarely experiencing hallucinations, coined based on the term "underactive imagination". Even if you consider "imagination" and "hallucination" to be very different things, the line between the two is blurry for some people. Ruffle is one example; he went on about his whole "When I imagine things, they eventually get vivid and become hallucinations." experiences.

As for your Eye-Bo session, that's all like vegan and everything. You still play xylophones in your head or whatever? Deadly.

Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2013, 01:26:24 PM »
Imagination, hallucination. Hallucination would always be your imagination, because it's not real. But not everything you imagine is a hallucination, because a hallucination would have to feel pretty real. Like, I dunno, if I spent time with the tulpa and he touched me, I might imagine the feel of his touch. Perhaps touch is one of those senses that is very close to the blurred line for me, as a just "imagined" touch already feels very "real", but then there's those times when he grabs me and I just go all. Woah, something ouched me. Like someone really did touch me and it could fool me into thinking it was another person, except there's no one else there but the tupper.

Feel was my example sense, but it could be anything. Sight, hearing, whatever. Those are the ones people usually want, but you can get to the whole hallucination part by getting good at imagining whatever sense it is you want to become a hallucination. And accepting the hallucination to be there, so it doesn't go away.

Re: Fart's progress report
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2013, 02:04:07 PM »
That's the thing. I find that hallucinations fall within the category of "imagination", even if they're unwilled. When do mind's eye visuals, or, for instance, Colonel's variably blurry sensations of touch, become hallucinations? It's hard to say, which is why I prefer to use the general term "imagination". At least then I can agree with people that it's something in their minds. Whenever I do use "hallucination", it's mostly when something imagined is very vivid.

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2013, 07:20:39 AM »
To me, imagined things never appear unless you summon them up (or think about them, etc etc).
Hallucinations are under no such restriction. Think of the man wandering the desert. He spies an oasis, but it turns out to be just more sand once he gets closer. A mirage is a hallucination, yes? (we can go into more definition semantics or not) He wasn't wandering the desert and thought "Hey, I know! I'll pretend there's an oasis over there and be disappointed when I go over and see that it isn't really there!"

That doesn't happen with imagined things. If he hallucinated the oasis, he would be genuinely disappointed that there wasn't an oasis.

A hallucination isn't just something imagined but very vividly. It is also something that you do not control, which is crucial in tupperware creation. Who wants a tuppermon who they control absolutely?

P.S. I'm guessing those xylophone noises in with the theta crap weren't actually in the tones, Fugg?
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2013, 07:28:02 AM »
Well, you could start by hoping to see an oasis hard enough so you actually think you see one (a hallucination caused by your need for water and delirious state) and then die as you chase something that's not really there.

A mirage isn't really a hallucination, but a real phenomenom. You can take a photo of a mirage and more than one person can see it. It's a real thing, not just a trick of your mind. But it certainly can trick you. And you can still die chasing something that's not really there, so same result in the end, but one is completely imaginary while the other is "real".

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2013, 09:33:14 AM »
"If you try to create a tulpa that's not really there, you will die" -Sands

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Re: Snowslide's progress report
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2013, 11:17:12 AM »
Well, even though mind's eye visuals are controlled and hallucinations uncontrolled for most people, it can be quite different for others. Some can have an overactive imagination that renders any attempt to control mind's eye visuals useless, whereas they may be able to control hallucinations better. This is just an example. Not all mind's eye visuals are necessarily controlled, just like how not all hallucinations are necessarily uncontrolled. That's why I think it's not a very bright idea to judge between "imagination" and "hallucinations" based on how much "control" is involved, but, rather, the vividness of them.

There are no xylophones in Eye-Bo.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2013, 11:29:04 AM »
World's first xylophone tulpa, baby.
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Re: Avalanche's progress remorse
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2013, 01:45:53 PM »
So I guess you'll be blowing your tupper in order to make it talk...

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2013, 03:03:40 PM »


Yes. I'll blow into my tulpa.
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