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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2014, 03:22:03 PM »
When I started, it wasn't much of anything for a good week or so. But in that time, the hype and wonder of the concept had me doing nothing but forcing and narrating, so it was around the time the first week was over that I was actually getting distinction. It was really minor, but still, was something.

It actually goes up in down in intensity, depending on whether or not I pay her a lot of attention over a few days, or a little. Just make note of the feeling, every time you get it, even if it's minor. Once it's more familiar, it should be easier to build upon, or at least, I'm assuming. Not an expert on anything aside from a couple of my methods, even my subjective experiences, so pardon these weird responses. I'm just having trouble wording it super coherently..

As for other side-effects.. Head pressure was a big one. Like, REALLY big. I remember a few weeks into the process, end of last school year, when we were going through finals. I'd get excruciating pains in my head any time I'd narrate. It was probably coupled with sleep deprivation, as well as stress, but whatever the case, causing me head pains seemed to be her way of letting me know she was around, or wanted attention.

So if the feeling evolves into light pains, that might be a good thing. Or a bad thing. Dunno.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2014, 04:26:43 PM »
I had head pressures before. At one point I was having them all day, constantly. Nothing exceptionally painful, but still more so than just a shitty night headache or whatever. Still, that story went nowhere.

How would you say you built on the feeling? As you paid her more attention, you said you would gradually build upon the feeling.
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« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2014, 05:11:15 PM »
I guess when I say building on, it's in the area of just focusing on it, getting it more distinct. Just getting a better feel and being able to identify it more easily. Or something. Idunno, I'm sorry, watching the Doctor Who Chrissy special, lemme try and get these thoughts out correctly.

The more you pay attention to it, and learn it, the bigger and more distinct it feels and stuff. I think there was something about a Tulpa's essence, somewhere a while back that I never read. I guess it's somewhere in that area. Or something.

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2014, 05:13:23 PM »
Hmmm, sounds pretty symbolic.

But yeah, I understand. They have a presence and a feel to them. When you talk to them, it feels different than when you just talk to yourself in your head, and this grows more distinct over time?

I hope so. Anyways, it's all day narration and shit from now on.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2014, 01:14:07 AM »
Hmmm, sounds pretty symbolic.

But yeah, I understand. They have a presence and a feel to them. When you talk to them, it feels different than when you just talk to yourself in your head, and this grows more distinct over time?

I hope so. Anyways, it's all day narration and shit from now on.

Yeah, when I first started, I got almost not communication back from Fina. I got thoughts and emotions from it first, it took a while before she became a constant presence. I would have to say maybe for the first month, I just felt like I was talking to myself... without any power or control over what I was doing, once I started getting into the passive communication; it got pretty much sharply picked up from a few minutes of response a day, to almost an hour, then constant presence. Eventually you will get to that stage of constant presence.

My suggestion for doing this is to simply give a "hello is anyone there" call in your thoughts. If there is no response. Parrot the what you would want the tulpa to say. There is no need to do this outloud. Adjust the mind voice, and repeat it again in what you would assume was the tulpas voice. Then repeat the callout request.

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« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2014, 06:40:50 AM »
My suggestion for doing this is to simply give a "hello is anyone there" call in your thoughts. If there is no response. Parrot the what you would want the tulpa to say.


ahhh parroting ahhh noooo evil bad nooo

I dunno. I think my main problem is my lack of focus. No matter where I am or what I'm doing, I cannot seem to focus. I'll be in bed or in the shower or the car or just at my pc and I won't be able to talk and focus for very long. Thoughts creep in and I go off on tangents and I lose it.
It's just very hard to pinpoint and focus on any sort of presence at this stage. Tips on how to stay focused would be helpful.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2014, 08:58:45 AM »
Also not sure if it's the best idea to tell the guy with huge parroting issues and fears to parrot. Unless you want him to quit tuppers forever again.

We talked about this a bit elsewhere but my suggestion was shorter sessions with more breaks in the middle, use your wandering thoughts as narration fuel. It can help to make you less bored and maybe make the sessions really something to look forward to because you also have some daydream adventure sessions in the middle, something your mind seems to want to do. You'd also be teaching yourself to snap out of your thoughts and then talk to the tulpa again like normal, not making a big deal out of it and not losing too much time or anything either. Just a refreshing break so you can continue better and all, you know?

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2014, 09:14:29 AM »
I'm take your advice on board and I'll continue on as normal.

I'll see where I am in a week and I'll report back as I go.

Gotta get this thread as the most viewed a hue huehh euuerhierhguidgsdfhg
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2014, 12:28:37 PM »
Also not sure if it's the best idea to tell the guy with huge parroting issues and fears to parrot. Unless you want him to quit tuppers forever again.

Oh, I wasn't aware of that.
Sorry Avalanche.

Hmm. Okay have you tried writing down any that you think has actually been spoken by the tulpa? If it hasn't communicated with you yet. Write any questions you would have to the tulpa down, so that you can attempt to communicate them later if you forget.

I am will sands, about the shorter sessions, with breaks. It will allow you to recover from the amount of focus it requires to force. Have you tried intentionally forcing while you are tired, or while laying in bed? I have found that easier as my body tends to be more relaxed during that time.

Also, don't worry about not having enough time to practice forcing. I have noticed that even a couple days rest from it doesn't really detract from any progress you might be making. If your forcing is boring you or the mind, then perhaps invent some more entertaining ways to force. Make a game of some kind, or play game you already play and modify it into some forcing activity.

I force passively with Yuko sometimes playing Dead Space, which for some reason she doesn't mind watching. So the background reactions and conversations with her, kind of make the game more bearable for me, in the dark; cause it scares the shit out of me in a dark room alone. This sometimes distracts me from the game, but who cares. It's a game I enjoy, and I am still communicating with the tulpa. Note that, a lot of the communication it's constant, its intermittent. Fina, Xenith, and Saphy like to help me with building ideas in minecraft. Xenith thought of an awesome mining method, Fina helps me organize.

tl;dr - If you don't have enough time to practice active/passive forcing; start forcing while doing other activities that don't require a lot of "processing power". If that analogy works for you.

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« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2014, 01:02:44 PM »
Well that's good. I'll try to do more forcing sessions, but I know they don't have to be as long. That's good I suppose.
It's not exactly /boring/ me, it's just my mind tends to wander. I'll try to think of a game I could play while forcing, but I don't want to detract from what I'm trying to do; force.

I've tried doing games and other things before and it felt like they were distractions that didn't build on the tupper at all. I'll keep the idea in mind though.

Also I'm not afraid of parroting. I just think it's a stupid idea on how to get tuppers talking faster. Seems to me that you build up your ability to talk for them faster than their ability to talk for themselves.
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« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2014, 02:42:17 PM »
Oh, ohhhh! Use Enny's method of writing for focus! Narrate with pencil and paper. Still possible to lose track, just more difficult. That one was my biggest help before I got any speech. Filled up seven or eight pages per week, more, depending.

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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2014, 02:54:10 PM »
You just write instead of talking? Or you do both? I dunno, sounds like a massive distraction from focusing on my tupperware...
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« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2014, 03:25:04 PM »
Well, if you just can not balance the writing, with the focusing on your Tupper, then I guess it would be. I was able to keep her in mind, while writing what I had to narrate, which wound up putting forth a lot more time into narration than I got just saying little bits any time I could remember her, but if ya can't do that, ohwell.

It took longer to get things written down, but the time spent helped.

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« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2014, 03:41:36 PM »
I'll think about it, and maybe try it.
I'm assuming you can type instead of write? That would be easier for me as I'm a much faster typer than writer, and I don't really have the paper and time to physically write junk down.

I'll give it a shot and I'll report back. Gotta fill up this progress report to make it the most viewed ehehehehhehe
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« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2014, 05:17:00 PM »
Tried it with notepad. I have to say, I typed away for 20 minutes or so and I didn't lose track once. Not 100% sure if any of it reached my tupp or if any of it made any impact, but I certainly managed to "talk" for longer than before.

That said, I didn't really talk about much, other that whatever came to mind. I mostly just voiced my concerns and thoughts and just reiterated what I want it to know. I'm not sure if it is in a position to hear me or understand me, but whatever.
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