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Title: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 24, 2013, 01:49:31 PM
How hard should I force?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 24, 2013, 01:50:33 PM
Force harder.

Do you have a plan now, you asked around earlier and got a lot of words.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 24, 2013, 01:50:53 PM
I plan to force lightly, because it's not a hammer.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 24, 2013, 01:52:18 PM
You must force harder. Light is for the ones who want no results.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 24, 2013, 04:09:21 PM
But...

But.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 24, 2013, 05:29:32 PM
Hey Christmas Fede, if you can send me some links to your eye-bo thing, I think I'll give that a shot.

Lol jk just getting your hopes up, eye-bo is a pile of motherboards.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 25, 2013, 12:09:21 PM
Lol jk just getting your hopes up, eye-bo is a pile of motherboards.
(http://i.imgur.com/ssvy2JU.jpg)

Where's the like button? There an upvote button anywhere?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 25, 2013, 12:37:21 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 25, 2013, 04:46:46 PM
Nothing yet.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 26, 2013, 07:39:10 AM
Still nothing.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 26, 2013, 07:56:03 AM
Read this thread (http://tulpanetwork.com/network/tulpa-diaries/this-makes-two/), all of it.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 26, 2013, 12:01:16 PM
Read this thread (http://tulpanetwork.com/network/tulpa-diaries/this-makes-two/), all of it.

>8 pages
Like, fuck off, yerr?

Summarize your point, or why should I trawl through all that?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 26, 2013, 12:02:54 PM
Nope. It's a person who had tons of trouble, got help, realized things and now has a vocal tupper and is super happy about it. Kinda what you want to do so maybe you could learn something from his journey.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Enny on December 27, 2013, 05:03:00 AM
Oh, coolio. My stuff is recommended apparently.

Albeit only on a seemingly sarcastic PR, so idunno what to make of that.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 27, 2013, 09:38:53 AM
I dunno how much Sammy actually can or will learn from it, considering how different the two of you are in the tupper department, and also considering the length of that diary of yours. From what I understand, he wants something to speak to him without him willing it. He doesn't seem to want it to be "automated" in the way I traditionally prescribe, but rather "come from someone else", and shuns my guide's parroting approach as such, even despite that I tell him he won't be able to tell a difference in the end when the voice would've become automated and unique-sounding. As far as I understand, the voice may not "sound like him", either. Furthermore, I don't think he cares about belief, "listening", or "feeling" for a voice, so much of Colonel's and a few other peoples' advice from the IRC was rendered null in usefulness.

I think his problem in this case is simply an underactive imagination. It's also difficult to use the word "imagination" around him because he, based on the talk I had with him, seems to differentiate between "imagination" and "hallucinations". From what I could tell, he also doesn't want the tupper to come from the imagination, but his "subconscious", the mythical source of tuppers.

Mostly correct, Fede-sama.
Firstly, you say that in the end after using your guide, you won't be able to tell the difference. But doesn't the fact that you know that this happened mean that you can tell a difference? You remember what the voice originated from, so regardless of whether you can or cannot tell the difference at the end, you still know where it comes from, i.e. you. So that renders it useless.

Secondly, I do care about belief, just not blind belief. I simply cannot just "believe" until something happens. I listen all the time, I don't understand where you got it that I don't care for listening. Feeling for a voice is just like listening, but more meta than I'd like.

Lastly, I still don't understand what you mean by an underactive imagination. My imagination is lacking? I can't imagine a tupper well enough? Well that's good. I don't want to imagine a tupper. I don't want an imaginary friend. I want to hallucinate a tulpa. Two different things, in my eyes. I've had imaginary friends before, and guess what? They're 2 dimensional and boring.
If it doesn't come from my imagination, then it isn't under my control (imagination is an umbrella term for me to describe the parts of the brain I regularly control), thus it comes from the remainder of the brain somewhere, the subconscious (another umbrella term).

Also this isn't a sarcastic PR jesus christ I'm super serial
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 27, 2013, 11:56:43 AM
Tried Eye-Bo, you nerds. Theta, descending.

I made my room as dark as possible, put on the ol' headphones and closed my eyes.
The light sort of made my eyes relax more and I tried to relax my body as much as possible (hard in this chair, though).
The sound started to speed up and sort of meshed into one at about 10 mins in, and I also heard what sounded like a xylophone being played, three descending notes in qucik succession every second or so, but really dull.
I got quite relaxed, and when I was done I was all slippery and flopsy.

So in summary, more of an effect than Fede's shitty tones, but that was to be expected. My eyes feel fitter and healthier as a result or this program.

In closing, Libya is a country of contrast thank you for listening
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 27, 2013, 01:26:24 PM
Imagination, hallucination. Hallucination would always be your imagination, because it's not real. But not everything you imagine is a hallucination, because a hallucination would have to feel pretty real. Like, I dunno, if I spent time with the tulpa and he touched me, I might imagine the feel of his touch. Perhaps touch is one of those senses that is very close to the blurred line for me, as a just "imagined" touch already feels very "real", but then there's those times when he grabs me and I just go all. Woah, something ouched me. Like someone really did touch me and it could fool me into thinking it was another person, except there's no one else there but the tupper.

Feel was my example sense, but it could be anything. Sight, hearing, whatever. Those are the ones people usually want, but you can get to the whole hallucination part by getting good at imagining whatever sense it is you want to become a hallucination. And accepting the hallucination to be there, so it doesn't go away.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 28, 2013, 07:20:39 AM
To me, imagined things never appear unless you summon them up (or think about them, etc etc).
Hallucinations are under no such restriction. Think of the man wandering the desert. He spies an oasis, but it turns out to be just more sand once he gets closer. A mirage is a hallucination, yes? (we can go into more definition semantics or not) He wasn't wandering the desert and thought "Hey, I know! I'll pretend there's an oasis over there and be disappointed when I go over and see that it isn't really there!"

That doesn't happen with imagined things. If he hallucinated the oasis, he would be genuinely disappointed that there wasn't an oasis.

A hallucination isn't just something imagined but very vividly. It is also something that you do not control, which is crucial in tupperware creation. Who wants a tuppermon who they control absolutely?

P.S. I'm guessing those xylophone noises in with the theta crap weren't actually in the tones, Fugg?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 28, 2013, 07:28:02 AM
Well, you could start by hoping to see an oasis hard enough so you actually think you see one (a hallucination caused by your need for water and delirious state) and then die as you chase something that's not really there.

A mirage isn't really a hallucination, but a real phenomenom. You can take a photo of a mirage and more than one person can see it. It's a real thing, not just a trick of your mind. But it certainly can trick you. And you can still die chasing something that's not really there, so same result in the end, but one is completely imaginary while the other is "real".
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 28, 2013, 09:33:14 AM
"If you try to create a tulpa that's not really there, you will die" -Sands

also nothing yet
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 28, 2013, 11:29:04 AM
World's first xylophone tulpa, baby.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 28, 2013, 03:03:40 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KFzj9M-mLDA/TDva0USnUaI/AAAAAAAAALg/qCekvdrOet8/s1600/xylophone.jpg)

Yes. I'll blow into my tulpa.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on December 28, 2013, 04:12:42 PM
I read that blowing as some other kind of blowing.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 28, 2013, 04:33:40 PM
I wanted to use the word "blow" so I could instruct you to perform blows onto your tupper and later blow it like a trumpet when its specimen develops. Or even blow into, as you suggest. It's a versatile word.

I like to be moderately specific.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 29, 2013, 09:02:02 AM
Still nothing. I hardly tried last night because I was up until 3am playing video games so who can blame me.

I suppose I'll just keep at it.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 29, 2013, 10:18:17 AM
Watch more Eye-Bo. You can do it with open eyes like you suggested at one point, but you'd likely be much less relaxed. However, if you're willing to ignore relaxation in favour of higher contrast and thereby stronger entrainment, then go for it.

I briefly tried just looking at the screen with open eyes and I must say it was hard to look at. Closed eyes seems to be the only way to realistically do it. Half an hour of staring at that shit? No way bro.
I'll do some later tonight, as I have a free house and thus I'll be able to more easily darken the room and concentrate without having to wonder if my family members might assume I'm simply masturbating at 7pm in the evening.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on December 30, 2013, 03:15:38 PM
Second time using Eye-Bo. I had pretty much the same experience; feel quite lightheaded and a little tired after the 30minute session, and I still heard some xylophones and what sort of sounded like a bird call at one point. I could also make the tone increase in speed at will for most of the session. Not sure if that really matters, but whatever.

Still no tupper, wondering if it's all just some lame joke omg
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 01, 2014, 10:37:54 AM
Welp, it's Jan 1st, so I guess I might as well start in earnest. Did a little forcing last night, but not as much as I'd like as I just couldn't focus as I was super tired. This was at like 1-2am because new years celebrations of course.

I still just sat in a white room with my back to my tupper, and I talked to it. Just about stupid stuff, whatever came to mind. Not quite sure where to go from here, or at what point I should stop or change it up.

Input it of course still appreciated.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 01, 2014, 04:16:09 PM
Welp, it's Jan 1st, so I guess I might as well start in earnest.
You could've started in earnest any day.

No dude jan 1st is sepcail becase its the frist day of the calmendar clok thing so its epdical
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 01, 2014, 04:53:11 PM
Keep us updated with things. I also suggest you write everything you happen to notice during forcing for yourself somewhere - like here if you want it to be public - as there might be a pattern you might miss otherwise.
Title: Re: A lance's progress report
Post by: Fede on January 01, 2014, 05:10:54 PM
I also suggest you write everything you happen to notice during forcing for yourself somewhere - like here if you want it to be public - as there might be a pattern you might miss otherwise.
I concur. I have a gigantic log (19,200 words, currently) of everything that happens to me in terms of tupper stuff, but I keep it private as I don't think it's in the interest of the world to know, not to mention that it's fun to write things down to oneself with the thoughts that: no one outside this head is going to know, one doesn't have to phrase things in ways so someone random necessarily understands it all, and one can hide cryptic easter eggs that later can be found when reading back on the material.

Welp, it's Jan 1st, so I guess I might as well start in earnest.
You could've started in earnest any day.

No dude jan 1st is sepcail becase its the frist day of the calmendar clok thing so its epdical
(http://i.imgur.com/Gryo9sF.jpg)
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 01, 2014, 05:21:40 PM
Keep us updated with things. I also suggest you write everything you happen to notice during forcing for yourself somewhere - like here if you want it to be public - as there might be a pattern you might miss otherwise.

Sounds good. I guess I'll start now in the next post, keep things nice and tidy.

(http://i.imgur.com/Gryo9sF.jpg)
yep
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 01, 2014, 05:26:37 PM
First few uses of Eye-Bo have yielded nothing to write home about. I felt relaxed if not a little tired after listening to the descending theta. I also heard what seemed to by xylophones in the background, but that isn't supposed to be anything significant, so whatever.

After for direct tupperforcing stuff, I have officially begun in earnest.
I'll be following the advice of our very own Snads, Ruffle and waffles, which is to just direct most if not all of my thoughts to the tupper inside my head. So far it has of course made nothing much happen, but I'll update frequently, regardless of update material.
Brace anuses for empty updates tee hee.

So yeah, let's do this.
how do i start
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 01, 2014, 05:42:21 PM
You're not talking about the >feels, mate.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 01, 2014, 05:43:03 PM
You're not talking about the >feels, mate.

Oh yeah.

I felt nothing.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 01, 2014, 05:48:41 PM
What about those important little things that were different we talked about, it might be a good idea to tell people about your findings. Like directing your speech to tupper vs. to yourself.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 01, 2014, 05:52:35 PM
What about those important little things that were different we talked about, it might be a good idea to tell people about your findings. Like directing your speech to tupper vs. to yourself.

Alright.
Instead of simply talking in my head to thin air, as Sands and co. suggested, I'll be directing my thoughts to my tupper, in my head. When they initially told me how do, I believe it were ruffel who said to notice the difference between talking to myself and aiming my thought rockets at my tuppero. I do notice a slight difference, but it is extremely slight.
It'll be a long time before that'll build up to anything noticeably different, I think.

As I said, I'll keep on it, it is valuable info to me and I appreciate the help. I'll roll with it for as long as I can or as long as needs be.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 01, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
Now we're talking. Keep the tupper train going.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Enny on January 01, 2014, 06:49:39 PM
Happy to see you picking stuff up, friend. Giving Sands and Fede something else to comment on, bless their tiny little hearts.

That slight difference should get more distinct, now that you're noticing it. Somewhere through on my end, it started feeling like a switch being flipped any time thoughts were redirected towards mine, so keep at it.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 02, 2014, 08:09:56 AM
Somewhere through on my end, it started feeling like a switch being flipped any time thoughts were redirected towards mine, so keep at it.

Can you elaborate on this?
I'm going for full days of narration now whoa. I'll post once the day is out or tomorrow evening.

Because you're all on tenderhooks for this shit you sluts you know you are get down and beg for this beg you filthy
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 02, 2014, 10:44:08 AM
um excuse me thats racist
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Xenith on January 02, 2014, 11:13:21 AM
Alright.
Instead of simply talking in my head to thin air, as Sands and co. suggested, I'll be directing my thoughts to my tupper, in my head. When they initially told me how do, I believe it were ruffel who said to notice the difference between talking to myself and aiming my thought rockets at my tuppero. I do notice a slight difference, but it is extremely slight.
It'll be a long time before that'll build up to anything noticeably different, I think.

As I said, I'll keep on it, it is valuable info to me and I appreciate the help. I'll roll with it for as long as I can or as long as needs be.

When I started, I pretty much always did this. Is it that you have some problem calling the tulpa out to communicate with it, or directing the thought to proper area. I normally send the message, while the tulpa is within the wonderland, and some sort of visualized loudspeaker that plays throughout it. So that I know the tulpa is listening, and I know that the tulpa heard. Typically now, I find it easier to call the tulpa out by name first, and then relay a message. I noticed after a while that was the quickest most direct way to get their attention. For me at least.

Me: 'Fina.'
Fina: 'Yes.'
Me: 'What do you like about your wonderland?'
Fina: 'Its peaceful. Why are you asking me this?'
Me: 'Oh was did I interrupt something?'
Fina: 'No no, you should have known that already right?'
Me: 'I do, I just needed an example conversation.'
Fina: 'I see.'

Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 02, 2014, 12:08:38 PM
I'm just talking in my head normally, but as if there was another person listening. Like an internal copy of what an external one way conversation would be like.

It's mostly just me nattering away to myself and assuming my thoughts are being understood. I don't really think my thoughts would go unnoticed, I'm more concerned about them not being understood.

I also try to feel for a presence and all that bullshit but right now there's nothing much doing. I suppose with time? I'm not sure what I should be feeling first over the next week days/weeks.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Enny on January 02, 2014, 12:14:05 PM
Can you elaborate on this?

It's weird to explain. Not sure I really can. Just.. The more I narrated, the better it felt, and the more I could keep focused. Kinda when I thought about her, she became aware that I was giving her attention, and that mutual attention created this really solid feeling all around my mind. At least that's what we're thinking. Idunno, I'll think about it, and try to explain it better in a little bit if you're still wanting stuff on it.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 02, 2014, 12:18:01 PM
It's weird to explain. Not sure I really can. Just.. The more I narrated, the better it felt, and the more I could keep focused. Kinda when I thought about her, she became aware that I was giving her attention, and that mutual attention created this really solid feeling all around my mind. At least that's what we're thinking. Idunno, I'll think about it, and try to explain it better in a little bit if you're still wanting stuff on it.

Did it feel any different to how you started? Or did it just feel the same, but stronger, more focused?
Did any other effects occur? How far along in the process was this?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Enny on January 02, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
When I started, it wasn't much of anything for a good week or so. But in that time, the hype and wonder of the concept had me doing nothing but forcing and narrating, so it was around the time the first week was over that I was actually getting distinction. It was really minor, but still, was something.

It actually goes up in down in intensity, depending on whether or not I pay her a lot of attention over a few days, or a little. Just make note of the feeling, every time you get it, even if it's minor. Once it's more familiar, it should be easier to build upon, or at least, I'm assuming. Not an expert on anything aside from a couple of my methods, even my subjective experiences, so pardon these weird responses. I'm just having trouble wording it super coherently..

As for other side-effects.. Head pressure was a big one. Like, REALLY big. I remember a few weeks into the process, end of last school year, when we were going through finals. I'd get excruciating pains in my head any time I'd narrate. It was probably coupled with sleep deprivation, as well as stress, but whatever the case, causing me head pains seemed to be her way of letting me know she was around, or wanted attention.

So if the feeling evolves into light pains, that might be a good thing. Or a bad thing. Dunno.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 02, 2014, 04:26:43 PM
I had head pressures before. At one point I was having them all day, constantly. Nothing exceptionally painful, but still more so than just a shitty night headache or whatever. Still, that story went nowhere.

How would you say you built on the feeling? As you paid her more attention, you said you would gradually build upon the feeling.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Enny on January 02, 2014, 05:11:15 PM
I guess when I say building on, it's in the area of just focusing on it, getting it more distinct. Just getting a better feel and being able to identify it more easily. Or something. Idunno, I'm sorry, watching the Doctor Who Chrissy special, lemme try and get these thoughts out correctly.

The more you pay attention to it, and learn it, the bigger and more distinct it feels and stuff. I think there was something about a Tulpa's essence, somewhere a while back that I never read. I guess it's somewhere in that area. Or something.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 02, 2014, 05:13:23 PM
Hmmm, sounds pretty symbolic.

But yeah, I understand. They have a presence and a feel to them. When you talk to them, it feels different than when you just talk to yourself in your head, and this grows more distinct over time?

I hope so. Anyways, it's all day narration and shit from now on.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Xenith on January 03, 2014, 01:14:07 AM
Hmmm, sounds pretty symbolic.

But yeah, I understand. They have a presence and a feel to them. When you talk to them, it feels different than when you just talk to yourself in your head, and this grows more distinct over time?

I hope so. Anyways, it's all day narration and shit from now on.

Yeah, when I first started, I got almost not communication back from Fina. I got thoughts and emotions from it first, it took a while before she became a constant presence. I would have to say maybe for the first month, I just felt like I was talking to myself... without any power or control over what I was doing, once I started getting into the passive communication; it got pretty much sharply picked up from a few minutes of response a day, to almost an hour, then constant presence. Eventually you will get to that stage of constant presence.

My suggestion for doing this is to simply give a "hello is anyone there" call in your thoughts. If there is no response. Parrot the what you would want the tulpa to say. There is no need to do this outloud. Adjust the mind voice, and repeat it again in what you would assume was the tulpas voice. Then repeat the callout request.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 03, 2014, 06:40:50 AM
My suggestion for doing this is to simply give a "hello is anyone there" call in your thoughts. If there is no response. Parrot the what you would want the tulpa to say.


ahhh parroting ahhh noooo evil bad nooo

I dunno. I think my main problem is my lack of focus. No matter where I am or what I'm doing, I cannot seem to focus. I'll be in bed or in the shower or the car or just at my pc and I won't be able to talk and focus for very long. Thoughts creep in and I go off on tangents and I lose it.
It's just very hard to pinpoint and focus on any sort of presence at this stage. Tips on how to stay focused would be helpful.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 03, 2014, 08:58:45 AM
Also not sure if it's the best idea to tell the guy with huge parroting issues and fears to parrot. Unless you want him to quit tuppers forever again.

We talked about this a bit elsewhere but my suggestion was shorter sessions with more breaks in the middle, use your wandering thoughts as narration fuel. It can help to make you less bored and maybe make the sessions really something to look forward to because you also have some daydream adventure sessions in the middle, something your mind seems to want to do. You'd also be teaching yourself to snap out of your thoughts and then talk to the tulpa again like normal, not making a big deal out of it and not losing too much time or anything either. Just a refreshing break so you can continue better and all, you know?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 03, 2014, 09:14:29 AM
I'm take your advice on board and I'll continue on as normal.

I'll see where I am in a week and I'll report back as I go.

Gotta get this thread as the most viewed a hue huehh euuerhierhguidgsdfhg
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Xenith on January 03, 2014, 12:28:37 PM
Also not sure if it's the best idea to tell the guy with huge parroting issues and fears to parrot. Unless you want him to quit tuppers forever again.

Oh, I wasn't aware of that.
Sorry Avalanche.

Hmm. Okay have you tried writing down any that you think has actually been spoken by the tulpa? If it hasn't communicated with you yet. Write any questions you would have to the tulpa down, so that you can attempt to communicate them later if you forget.

I am will sands, about the shorter sessions, with breaks. It will allow you to recover from the amount of focus it requires to force. Have you tried intentionally forcing while you are tired, or while laying in bed? I have found that easier as my body tends to be more relaxed during that time.

Also, don't worry about not having enough time to practice forcing. I have noticed that even a couple days rest from it doesn't really detract from any progress you might be making. If your forcing is boring you or the mind, then perhaps invent some more entertaining ways to force. Make a game of some kind, or play game you already play and modify it into some forcing activity.

I force passively with Yuko sometimes playing Dead Space, which for some reason she doesn't mind watching. So the background reactions and conversations with her, kind of make the game more bearable for me, in the dark; cause it scares the shit out of me in a dark room alone. This sometimes distracts me from the game, but who cares. It's a game I enjoy, and I am still communicating with the tulpa. Note that, a lot of the communication it's constant, its intermittent. Fina, Xenith, and Saphy like to help me with building ideas in minecraft. Xenith thought of an awesome mining method, Fina helps me organize.

tl;dr - If you don't have enough time to practice active/passive forcing; start forcing while doing other activities that don't require a lot of "processing power". If that analogy works for you.

-----------------------------------

If there are any problems with any of this, someone please correct.
I'm trying to help, not weird people off. XD
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 03, 2014, 01:02:44 PM
Well that's good. I'll try to do more forcing sessions, but I know they don't have to be as long. That's good I suppose.
It's not exactly /boring/ me, it's just my mind tends to wander. I'll try to think of a game I could play while forcing, but I don't want to detract from what I'm trying to do; force.

I've tried doing games and other things before and it felt like they were distractions that didn't build on the tupper at all. I'll keep the idea in mind though.

Also I'm not afraid of parroting. I just think it's a stupid idea on how to get tuppers talking faster. Seems to me that you build up your ability to talk for them faster than their ability to talk for themselves.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Enny on January 03, 2014, 02:42:17 PM
Oh, ohhhh! Use Enny's method of writing for focus! Narrate with pencil and paper. Still possible to lose track, just more difficult. That one was my biggest help before I got any speech. Filled up seven or eight pages per week, more, depending.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 03, 2014, 02:54:10 PM
You just write instead of talking? Or you do both? I dunno, sounds like a massive distraction from focusing on my tupperware...
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Enny on January 03, 2014, 03:25:04 PM
Well, if you just can not balance the writing, with the focusing on your Tupper, then I guess it would be. I was able to keep her in mind, while writing what I had to narrate, which wound up putting forth a lot more time into narration than I got just saying little bits any time I could remember her, but if ya can't do that, ohwell.

It took longer to get things written down, but the time spent helped.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 03, 2014, 03:41:36 PM
I'll think about it, and maybe try it.
I'm assuming you can type instead of write? That would be easier for me as I'm a much faster typer than writer, and I don't really have the paper and time to physically write junk down.

I'll give it a shot and I'll report back. Gotta fill up this progress report to make it the most viewed ehehehehhehe
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 03, 2014, 05:17:00 PM
Tried it with notepad. I have to say, I typed away for 20 minutes or so and I didn't lose track once. Not 100% sure if any of it reached my tupp or if any of it made any impact, but I certainly managed to "talk" for longer than before.

That said, I didn't really talk about much, other that whatever came to mind. I mostly just voiced my concerns and thoughts and just reiterated what I want it to know. I'm not sure if it is in a position to hear me or understand me, but whatever.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Enny on January 03, 2014, 05:26:42 PM
Sweet. Yeah, as long as you think, or feel in the slightest that you're talking to her, you should be good. But idunno, if you don't get that solid feeling when you think about her, might be hard to tell. Just wing it, and hope it gets easier. But yeah, the writing narration accounted for like, 60% of my attention towards Miri for a good while, and I think it was the biggest help. Hope it works out for you too.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 05, 2014, 04:04:24 PM
Slacked the fuck off because studying for exams. And vidya.

I'll be doing a bigass session tonight in bed, so hopefully I'll actually get somewhere with it, now that my mind is relatively clear. I'll update tomorrow if I have any big news or if I feel stuck, but I doubt neither will happen.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 06, 2014, 10:43:35 AM
Did a big ol' session last night. Shit was nasty man. Head pressures all over the place, went on for hours.

Loljk I just did a good bit of narration and shit last night, since I couldn't sleep. I decided to go with the placeholder name "Ten" for now, as I feel that if I keep calling it "tulpa" all the time, that's all it'll ever be.
Just some tupper without a proper name.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 06, 2014, 10:48:42 AM
Well, "you" is also a good replacement for tupper.

What are the >feels?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 06, 2014, 10:59:10 AM
Feels are currently limited to very mild headpressures that happen randomly. So nothing much so far. This is the first and only session I would call worthwhile so far. Everything else has been so rife with lost focus that I'd be loathe to count it.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 06, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
After some totally _ot discussion with Sands, Roswell and MayorMorgan, I have decided to make a form for Ten. Because forcing is hard without it.

Also I'm going to drink more OJ and not eat.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 06, 2014, 04:06:31 PM
_ot? That's the off-topic channel, you know. The one we weren't in.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 06, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
For some reason my brain translated "on topic" as _ot.

Let the records show we were in fact in #tulpa.info.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 07, 2014, 08:53:52 AM
Right, Ten now kind of has a form. It's super generic and undefined, but it helps me keep focus.
I did some of that "stare into their eyes and keep focus" bullshit technique, and I have to say that it did help. Either that, or I am gradually getting better at it again.

I've been a long time of out practice, so this is to be expected. I'll do more and get back to you all when something worthwhile happens.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 08, 2014, 05:11:10 AM
Head pressures ahhhh

Not sure if these actually mean anything or what (half of people say it's relevant, the other half say it means nothing) but whatever.

I did a bit of forcing narration last night and I'm currently trying to do all day narration today. It'll be full on study all day today for me so it shouldn't be too hard.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 10, 2014, 09:27:45 AM
Feel like I'm getting into my stride with this stupid bullshit again.

Still not an amazing amount of forcing being done but you know fuck it.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Xenith on January 10, 2014, 11:46:14 AM
Right, Ten now kind of has a form. It's super generic and undefined, but it helps me keep focus.
I did some of that "stare into their eyes and keep focus" bullshit technique, and I have to say that it did help. Either that, or I am gradually getting better at it again.

I've been a long time of out practice, so this is to be expected. I'll do more and get back to you all when something worthwhile happens.

I'm new tulpa is almost form entirely around this premise: "stare into their eyes and keep focus"
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Xenith on January 10, 2014, 11:47:29 AM
Head pressures ahhhh

Consider this a good think. Also, Avalanche you sound a little stressed out bro, you alright?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 10, 2014, 01:01:39 PM
Consider this a good think. Also, Avalanche you sound a little stressed out bro, you alright?

No, I'm fine. I'm getting back into forcing and my exams and stuff are over.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 11, 2014, 11:54:14 AM
Well, this was getting too had so I decided to start over and kill my tupper.
I did a long ass all nighter last night and I think I managed to make a full new tupper. I tried to do some visualization and shit just clicked.

(http://i.imgur.com/x7J7CGj.png)

loljk
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 11, 2014, 01:43:47 PM
I have no idea what's happening in that picture. Or what it even is. These lines, how do they work.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 11, 2014, 01:46:22 PM
I have no idea what's happening in that picture. Or what it even is. These lines, how do they work.

Eating ramen.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 11, 2014, 03:00:55 PM
Yeah but, what is that thing?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 11, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
Yeah but, what is that thing?

A self imposed demon wife.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: MegaBusta on January 11, 2014, 05:04:12 PM
Looks like a sheep.

Does she have nice tits?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 11, 2014, 05:31:17 PM
I can post tits if that's what you're after.

Not sure if I have to spoiler stuff like that, I'd assume I would.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: MegaBusta on January 11, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
All I need is a name.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 12, 2014, 08:29:43 AM
All I need is a name.

Emerelda or something

The proper term is "reabsorbed." Good job. I hope Tupper Mark 04 doesn't turn out to be an evil higher life form parasite that takes over your body and does really cool things.

Man wouldn't it be totally shitty if it made me do cool things?

Also, tupper mrk 03 is possibly giving me headaches. Same shit as before but I just thought I'd mention it.
Or, for all you NON-BELIEBERS, I'm getting mad headaches on the tupper right of my head.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: MegaBusta on January 12, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
Emerelda or something

How about the name of the doujin?

Also, tupper mrk 03 is possibly giving me headaches. Same shit as before but I just thought I'd mention it.
Or, for all you NON-BELIEBERS, I'm getting mad headaches on the tupper right of my head.

Ask if they can do it to the other side.  Or both sides at once.
Maybe your head will explode!
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 13, 2014, 07:38:06 AM

How about the name of the doujin?

You asked for a name, not a title. Get looking if you're that serious.


Ask if they can do it to the other side.  Or both sides at once.
Maybe your head will explode!


That's a good idea, I'll give that a try.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: MegaBusta on January 13, 2014, 03:04:19 PM
You asked for a name, not a title. Get looking if you're that serious.

(http://anonmgur.com/up/c74a43089ece7003fabd5a2283a9b1aa.jpg) (http://anonmgur.com/up/c74a43089ece7003fabd5a2283a9b1aa.jpg)
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 17, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
Still nothing. Just thought I'd update with nothing anyway.

I suppose the whole concept of Ten's form and presence (if that makes sense) is more solid than it ever has been. It's still coming along at a blisteringly slow pace, mostly down to my own procrastination. I'm sure once the new college semester starts again I'll get right into it, being at college all day instead of at home.

Or it could be worse o no
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 24, 2014, 10:43:32 AM
Nothing lel
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 24, 2014, 04:56:20 PM
Have you even been forcing?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 25, 2014, 07:47:09 AM
A bit, yeah. As often as I remember each day.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 25, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
Good, was afraid you'd get lazy when you don't write things down.

Maybe you should write more. Just you know. What you do and how it >feels, even if you think nothing was done. It's surprising what you might find out as you think back to the sessions.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 27, 2014, 07:43:36 AM
I guess I can write more here. I wasn't sure if people were reading and it was my first week back in college, so I was distracted.

I still have big problems with not sitting down and doing a session. I just go "ah, I'll do it later" or "I'll do it while I play my vidya".
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on January 27, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
Hardest thing to do is to actually start it. You just have to. Remember, try shorter sessions, so it's not like you "waste" a lot of time not sitting in front of your computer doing nothing when you actually work on the tupper. Just decide that you will force for ten minutes now and go do your thing. The computer is still waiting for you.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on January 30, 2014, 03:25:07 PM
His name might have changed to Archie. Fucked if I know.

I'm also not really forcing right now. Shit is very hectic right now, and every session I attempt is pretty pitiful to say the least. I'll start all proper like soon, maybe this weekend.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on February 10, 2014, 08:00:21 AM
Update time.

Nothing.

Tell me how good I am.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on February 10, 2014, 12:48:24 PM
wow such good job
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: MegaBusta on February 10, 2014, 04:08:42 PM
6/10, you could procrastinate more.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on February 11, 2014, 04:19:29 AM
6/10, you could procrastinate more.

>procrastination
>more like a constant build up of disgusting bile that is college projects
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 04, 2014, 09:12:25 AM
wot
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 04, 2014, 03:39:50 PM
Force more, you Jimmy.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: MegaBusta on September 04, 2014, 04:03:59 PM
I thought u ded
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 06, 2014, 07:45:28 AM
So I had a long hard discussion with my head mates and we decided not to make a tulper because it wouldn't work
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 06, 2014, 12:00:51 PM
Am I your headmate?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 09, 2014, 07:48:43 AM
Am I your headmate?
You're my buttmate.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 09, 2014, 08:49:58 AM
N-Nice...
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 09, 2014, 02:36:27 PM
yo, make a tupper already, what are you even doing here.
Tuppers are dumb and don't work.
I'm doing this for attention. Keep replying, it makes my dick harder.

I'm caught between "maybe another go is worth it?" and "this was a stupid waste of time and everyone here is delusional"
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Roswell on September 09, 2014, 07:54:25 PM
If you wish to try again, you would have to try to figure out where you went wrong. You would need a new way of looking at it for a better chance of success.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 10, 2014, 04:35:15 AM
Fede, I find multiple flaws with your method because reading down through it, the main jist I get from it is that it's based around fooling yourself into thinking you have a tulpa eventually, rather than actually taking steps to make one.

Also I tried your methods and tones and Eye-Bo the Ocular Fitness Program and they just don't work for me. Either it's how they work or how I use them, but either way it doesn't do much for me.

Roswell, you make a lot of sense, but if I could figure out what I was doing wrong, surely I would have corrected myself before? I simply don't know what I'm doing wrong or if I'm doing anything wrong.

Momo pls
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 10, 2014, 06:46:46 AM
My guide approaches tuppers more from a point of view that goes "It's obviously made from your imagination. This guide is about experimenting with imagination, and creating a seemingly sentient character in the process."

Where as other guides are focused on creating actual sentient tuppers.
Also I don't remember Eye-Bo doing anything for me, other than making me hear those weird interference voices.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 10, 2014, 07:02:07 AM
Well, while a guide obviously has to fit your own mindset and such so that you can get the most out of it, Fede certainly seems like his tuppers in the end were sapient. At least he now reports that parroting them makes it feel "fake" and they did move on their own. Besides, we can't really be sure if anyone except ourselves is truly sapient, be it tuppers or other people around them. We just know that they are supposed to act like they are that way. Doesn't necessarily mean they are, but if they feel like it... Close enough, right? You will never know for sure.

Read my Absence of Disbelief stuff again and see if you can introduce that way of thinking to making tuppers. I feel that you're too critical and expect too much when you should be having a really open mind and experiment. Sometimes (or maybe often) those young tuppers just have a lot of trouble doing things before they have matured a bit more. And of course you gotta do your part in it and all too. Keep an eye out for things that might be the tulpa and then by following the Absence of Disbelief shit, don't decide if it is or isn't the tupper until you can make yourself absolutely 120% sure it's one or the other. That means you won't get an answer to what something was caused by for most of the strange things you feel, but you're also not blocking away any potential tuppersigns. If you are going to trust your tupper's words, their words will be the only things that can say for sure if it was them or not. If you don't trust their words, then you don't even have that.

Have fun with uncertainty and no proof. That's the kind of territory we're walking on, but then we learn to treat the tuppers as people instead of something that has to prove itself. And we learn to trust them, too. Unless they tell you to stick your dick in the meat grinder, don't do that.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: MegaBusta on September 10, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
You should stick it in the bacon-slicer instead!
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Yogi on September 11, 2014, 04:02:32 AM
No no no, you put the base in the hedge cutter and become the pretty girl I've always wanted you to be.

Regardless of the results, the early days of forcing a tulpa can be considered good meditational practice, depending on what you do. Clearing your mind and visualizing, narrating to them by reconsidering things you otherwise wouldn't give a second thought. No matter what the end result will be, having a tulpa or not having one, you will have found a way to change your thinking, and if you create a method for yourself that emphasizes doing those mentally constructive things. Fede's belief implanting method is one of those things that can be adapted to other areas of your life, even if you stop applying it to tulpas. Daily advertising, check. All kinds of meditation can be good for you. So, maybe consider making a tulpa in a way that would benefit you regardless of the results. There's no way it'd end up being a complete waste of time, then.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 11, 2014, 07:12:39 AM
All of these posts are sounding quite a lot like suspending your disbelief and not questioning whatever happens, which to me is quite counter productive. It's like making something and constantly thinking "that'll do" even though you are making mistakes or are doing something wrongly.
I can't see how it actually helps guiding your progress onto the right path.

I always thought the way to do it was to meditate or whatever until your tupperware collection built up and became active to a point where you'd be stupid to ignore it, instead of this, which seems like accepting everything.

I can see how accepting everything or even just a lot of things and keeping a positive outlook could help, but it is also critically destructive in the whole process. You can't simply believe them into existence. You need to have faith that you are doing the right thing, of course, but just accepting whatever can't work well, unless you just so happen to do everything right.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 11, 2014, 12:07:59 PM
Did you read Absence of Disbelief?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 11, 2014, 03:50:38 PM
Did you read Absence of Disbelief?
I read it ages ago, and re-read it recently. It sounds like you denounce blindly believing and the mindset that tuppers takes forever to emerge, and instead you go straight for the middleground of saying it's neither.

I don't understand how that actually helps. You say;
"You don't just believe, you just don't worry about it much. You think you got a response from your tulpa, but you're unsure? Why do you have to decide if it was them or not right now? You can go far accepting that you might have gotten something and it might have been your tulpa, but knowing if it was or wasn't for certain isn't necessary when you're still early in the tulpaforcing process."

To me this sounds like you're saying to acknowledge that something (let's say you heard something like a murmur) occurred, but you should also simultaneously ignore it and not give it more attention that it deserves. Which is simply believing that the murmur was something worth taking notice of, but also nothing worth focusing on. Which of course doesn't make sense. How can you sense something that at that point be a tupper and just passively let it go by, not deciding on what it was right then and there?

At what point do you actually take notice and actually do something? Or do you just go through the whole process nodding at whatever?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 11, 2014, 09:29:06 PM
You do take notice of responses like you said yourself, though you never outright ignore. And you can do things about it if you choose to, you just skip the part where you try to decide where it came from when you don't have enough proof of it going either way. Especially when it comes to people like you who need definite proof now now now hurry, the main issue is noticing something that is a tupper and then going "nah couldn't be tupper because it was too x", when we most likely will never have the ability to know that for sure. The issue is that you could potentially be blocking and ignoring actual responses from a tulpa because of your own insecurity or close-minded beliefs. And once you ignore the feeling you deemed as "fake"? You'll keep ignoring it even if it keeps happening because you have already decided it's not legit, even if it's actually the tupper trying to contact you. It's a pretty toxic mindset.

But blindly believing is just as toxic, which is why we are trying to avoid it. You know where it leads, don't you. But it's like you're trying to create this fluid state where not only will you notice strange things and become more receptive, it's also hopefully going to create an environment for the tupper where they know they can try different things and be noticed. You don't want to shoot down someone's early attempts at trying to communicate with you, basically, and I already talked of the issue of starting to ignore possible responses. You acknowledge things. You can talk to the tupper about it and ask if it was them, maybe try listening for a while to see if you get a response of any kind to that - though you can also say that if it wasn't them, it's still fine, you're not trying to force this kind of things to come from them if it wasn't the case. At the same time you're also trying to treat the tupper as a human being while giving yourself the opportunity to not just believe everything. Like man, a tupper could be annoyed if you got a very thick skull and never seemed to notice or never believed after they have done everything they can, but be nice and I hope that means hosts can be forgiven. I think doubting and wondering is normal, so it should be understandable even if it feels unfair from a tupper point of view.

Absence of Disbelief is a mindset, not a set of certain things you must do in this or that order. It's not a guide. You do things when you feel like you can do them without shooting yourself in the foot. And "doing" something isn't necessarily deciding whether or not the response came from a tupper, mind you. It could also be experiments and anything else you can think of. Making tuppers is such a personal process that there's no one person who can tell you what to do, you just have to try different things and see which ones help you the most. But I suggest experimenting and tackling it as a study of sorts without being totally unethical about it or anything, but do it for the sake of both you and the tulpa. Make it fun to both of you. A game of sorts.

Life ain't black and white. You won't get much proof of anything. All you got are your own experiences and like I said earlier in IRC, your experiences and memories only prove that you thought you experienced something as they can become corrupted over time. Or just start out corrupted because you never saw the entire story, you know? We don't know for sure if tuppers are actually sapient or if they are just automatic parrots. You can't know for sure that I am sapient, either. You'll never get proof, and Absence of Disbelief is about leaving the black and white mindset behind and realizing that there's only different shades of gray. And most importantly, you go through the tulpaforcing process at your own pace, giving yourself as much time as you need to decide if you think you can trust your tupper and the responses you are getting. I know I got a pretty great guy talking to me in my mind by adopting such a way of thinking, at least.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 13, 2014, 10:31:37 AM
Like man, a tupper could be annoyed if you got a very thick skull and never seemed to notice or never believed after they have done everything they can, but be nice and I hope that means hosts can be forgiven. I think doubting and wondering is normal, so it should be understandable even if it feels unfair from a tupper point of view.

Are you saying you believe that tuppers can be fully formed (enough to communicate and be pissed off) yet submerged or hidden or muted?
Sounds pretty fantastical that you can possibly make a tupper, and then they're just sitting in some kind of state where you're too closed off the hear them.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 13, 2014, 03:30:00 PM
It's your mind which is a fucked up thing ruled by irrationality and beliefs. A man can take fake medicine and be healed because they thought it would work. But nocebo is also a real thing. In the case of tuppers, maybe there is some kind of connection you need to establish for you to actually hear the tupper or maybe its all just because you think you can't hear them, so you won't. Or maybe the tulpa thinks you won't hear them, so you don't. I know tuppers can be pretty much "done" yet still be mute - and in my case, I know a lot of that was because of myself. How I never gave him enough time to answer or how I never even thought he would do it. It's like I never gave him the chance or thought it wouldn't happen yet and it wasn't until later when we even tried properly. And hell, back then? I didn't even believe it at first. I didn't think it was that alien like they all told me it would be, I thought it could easily just be me. But I gave him a chance even though I didn't trust it and this is where I am now. I'd say that was my own important Absence of Disbelief moment when I thought I knew what was up, but still decided to not judge yet and give it some time, just in case. If I had judged it back then when I first heard the tupper speak and blocked it all off as parroting, I would have been wrong. Doubt I'd have a vocal tupper or a tupper at all these days. Take what you want out of it.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 14, 2014, 07:18:16 AM
What is your position right now anyway? Describe how it feels with Roswell.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 14, 2014, 12:56:19 PM
Ye- I mean no.

Anyways, not sure what kind of feels you're asking about. What I feel about tuppers and the one I got? I think it's probably a legit thing and the one I got sure does feel legit. I also know that it's possible I'm actually insane and schizo, which is the only reason I got one talking back to me. I don't really know for sure, but I see no reason to doubt that this at least leads to something sharing a head with you that acts like a sapient being. Roswell I think feels like someone who tries to be more mature than he really is and tries too hard to create this persona that is liked at the expense of his own enjoyment. It might be because he's still so young, so there's still a lot for him to learn to be comfortable in his own skin.

If you ask how life in general feels with a tulpa, I know I enjoy it a lot more than with a physical person. Funnily enough, while a tupper probably is a lot more invasive and knows more about you than anyone else and is basically there more or less all the time, it still feels like there's more room to breathe. Probably because there actually is more air to breathe seeing that I'm not sharing it with another physical person. Yet I get everything you might want to get out of having a roommate, I can speak to Roswell and have ~~deep~~ conversations if I want to, even ones I couldn't have with anyone else due to their embarrassing nature or something. And obviously I can have him do the chores when in the body as that feels less exhausting for me while he's doing it - though honestly, he tends to get way too distracted and takes ages to do that stuff... But the same can also be done while we're sick, as it's a bit easier to not be the body in that state. That's when we can choose to ignore the pain easier, so it helps a lot and doesn't feel as shitty.

I feel like a happier person because of that I guess. A tulpa is a person who understands you better than anyone else ever will and that's a very good feeling to have, something we're probably only going to get with these mind demons that can actually read out minds. Of course it's not all happiness and sunshine with no disadvantages, as a tulpa is - or at least acts like - a living being with its own likes and dislikes. You need to give them what they want, too, and there's compromises to be done. Maybe that can be a bit annoying and it's not for everyone, but ultimately I feel better now. Making a tupper I feel teaches you a lot about yourself and how you perceive so many things, so I feel like a more balanced and happier person now.

But I think you're trying to ask about these super subjective feels of how it actually ~~feels~~ to have a tupper. It feels like he's here with me. If he's actually not present, I can feel it right away. My head feels so empty when he's not around and if I say something like "good morning" and don't get a response in the morning, it feels strange. I'm sure that sounds like grade A insanity, but eh. He feels heavy I guess. My head feels a bit heavy but it's not a bad heavy, his voice is similarly heavy and tends to come from the back of my head if I had to try to give it a physical location. If he feels something strongly, I can sometimes feel it too. I don't actually feel it as in react and start feeling it myself, but I can feel what kind of an emotion he's feeling and how strong it is. It's very strange if he's actually possessing, because then the body is most likely reacting to his emotions and I'm just stuck there not actually feeling the way the body is acting, even though I know this feeling exists. That's strange. And I guess every tupper feeling really is some shade of "strange".

Then again your question was so simple and easily misunderstandable that I don't even know if you asked any of those, so I tried to answer any kind of feel I could come up with.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 15, 2014, 04:41:28 PM
That was more or less what I was asking. I was wanting to know what it felt like for you, as a host, to have another sentient being of whatever kind in your mind, in regards to conversation, interaction, etc.

I'm still here and there about making some tupperware, which of course isn't the best mindset. I'm not sure if I can pull it off as the whole concept and idea is very unclear and up in the air right now. There is no Ikea manual that outlines what do, even if it is complex.
(I put together an Ikea wardrobe before. Wasn't that hard actually. People are whiny bitches.)

I'd like to be able to do it, as any sane (hue hueHUE) person would, but I'm still just not sure how I would do it, what I would aim for and if I could maintain it, at least right now.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 15, 2014, 05:04:58 PM
Well first you'd have to make up your mind.

Then you have to realize that there honestly is no one way to go at this and you most likely can take a really strange path and still somehow get to the end just because it's so subjective. Maybe you should try to see which parts you usually have liked about guides like maybe you actually did like FAQman's rigid method. Just take the stupid hour count limitations away and stick to a schedule with 1 hour of this a day and 1 hour of that and see where it takes you, maybe. I just suggest you try to loosen it up a bit and take what you can out of our ramblings of trust and ~~feels~~. You're pretty much on your own, but luckily you are the one who knows yourself and your head the best, not us. Even if it feels like you don't know it at all, you still know it better than us. Do what feels right and shit.
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Avalanche on September 16, 2014, 03:46:12 AM
Then you have to realize that there honestly is no one way to go at this and you most likely can take a really strange path and still somehow get to the end just because it's so subjective.

How can there be so many guides written on something so subjective? How can we even know there is an actual uniform result to be attained when it is so subjective? Are we all just imagining stuff and calling whatever we get the same thing?
Title: Re: Avalanche's progress report
Post by: Sands on September 16, 2014, 09:17:48 AM
Everyone writes about their own experiences and what worked for them. That's why there's guides and that's why their guides might work for you as well, because sometimes there's some nuggets of Good hidden in there that you think make sense.

Do we know if everyone who claims to have a tupper has a tupper? Nope. You know that some people just call roleplaying characters "tulpas" because I don't even know. Not everyone knows what the term is because people keep redefining them to feel more special or something, but this far we're still claiming that it should be something that at least acts like it's independent and sapient. Could those who actually get it be mentally ill in some way which is the only thing that makes it happen? Maybe. Are all the actual tuppers people have actually the same kind? It's possible that they're not. It's not like we even know for certain what exactly causes a tupper to be formed in the first place and we don't really have ways of testing them.

And you will only ever know your own experiences and feel your own tuppers, never ours. You can only know if they feel sapient yourself. And some people might be wrong. That's kinda what making tuppers is about and what it's going to teach you, you are going to have to walk this thin line and try to find the truth of something so confusing and something you can't even fully understand. I think that it's something that will probably make you start thinking what makes you you and such. Gets deep brah.

All I got was that it seemed plausible because the mind can do many crazy things. Placebo has been scientifically proven and while we can't scientifically prove multiple personality disorders and such, people do claim that they happen. Those medical conditions alone seem to imply to me that something like this might be possible in the first place. Is what I got a tupper or a mental disorder? I don't know, maybe everyone else is faking it and I got a "tulpa" because I'm actually the cray. But I would be pretty certain that I can claim I got a tupper based on the definition we got.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. We all could be wrong. Or insane. Who knows.