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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #105 on: September 09, 2014, 02:36:27 PM »
yo, make a tupper already, what are you even doing here.
Tuppers are dumb and don't work.
I'm doing this for attention. Keep replying, it makes my dick harder.

I'm caught between "maybe another go is worth it?" and "this was a stupid waste of time and everyone here is delusional"
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #106 on: September 09, 2014, 07:54:25 PM »
If you wish to try again, you would have to try to figure out where you went wrong. You would need a new way of looking at it for a better chance of success.

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2014, 04:35:15 AM »
Fede, I find multiple flaws with your method because reading down through it, the main jist I get from it is that it's based around fooling yourself into thinking you have a tulpa eventually, rather than actually taking steps to make one.

Also I tried your methods and tones and Eye-Bo the Ocular Fitness Program and they just don't work for me. Either it's how they work or how I use them, but either way it doesn't do much for me.

Roswell, you make a lot of sense, but if I could figure out what I was doing wrong, surely I would have corrected myself before? I simply don't know what I'm doing wrong or if I'm doing anything wrong.

Momo pls
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2014, 06:46:46 AM »
My guide approaches tuppers more from a point of view that goes "It's obviously made from your imagination. This guide is about experimenting with imagination, and creating a seemingly sentient character in the process."

Where as other guides are focused on creating actual sentient tuppers.
Also I don't remember Eye-Bo doing anything for me, other than making me hear those weird interference voices.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #109 on: September 10, 2014, 07:02:07 AM »
Well, while a guide obviously has to fit your own mindset and such so that you can get the most out of it, Fede certainly seems like his tuppers in the end were sapient. At least he now reports that parroting them makes it feel "fake" and they did move on their own. Besides, we can't really be sure if anyone except ourselves is truly sapient, be it tuppers or other people around them. We just know that they are supposed to act like they are that way. Doesn't necessarily mean they are, but if they feel like it... Close enough, right? You will never know for sure.

Read my Absence of Disbelief stuff again and see if you can introduce that way of thinking to making tuppers. I feel that you're too critical and expect too much when you should be having a really open mind and experiment. Sometimes (or maybe often) those young tuppers just have a lot of trouble doing things before they have matured a bit more. And of course you gotta do your part in it and all too. Keep an eye out for things that might be the tulpa and then by following the Absence of Disbelief shit, don't decide if it is or isn't the tupper until you can make yourself absolutely 120% sure it's one or the other. That means you won't get an answer to what something was caused by for most of the strange things you feel, but you're also not blocking away any potential tuppersigns. If you are going to trust your tupper's words, their words will be the only things that can say for sure if it was them or not. If you don't trust their words, then you don't even have that.

Have fun with uncertainty and no proof. That's the kind of territory we're walking on, but then we learn to treat the tuppers as people instead of something that has to prove itself. And we learn to trust them, too. Unless they tell you to stick your dick in the meat grinder, don't do that.

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #110 on: September 10, 2014, 10:25:55 PM »
You should stick it in the bacon-slicer instead!

Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #111 on: September 11, 2014, 04:02:32 AM »
No no no, you put the base in the hedge cutter and become the pretty girl I've always wanted you to be.

Regardless of the results, the early days of forcing a tulpa can be considered good meditational practice, depending on what you do. Clearing your mind and visualizing, narrating to them by reconsidering things you otherwise wouldn't give a second thought. No matter what the end result will be, having a tulpa or not having one, you will have found a way to change your thinking, and if you create a method for yourself that emphasizes doing those mentally constructive things. Fede's belief implanting method is one of those things that can be adapted to other areas of your life, even if you stop applying it to tulpas. Daily advertising, check. All kinds of meditation can be good for you. So, maybe consider making a tulpa in a way that would benefit you regardless of the results. There's no way it'd end up being a complete waste of time, then.

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #112 on: September 11, 2014, 07:12:39 AM »
All of these posts are sounding quite a lot like suspending your disbelief and not questioning whatever happens, which to me is quite counter productive. It's like making something and constantly thinking "that'll do" even though you are making mistakes or are doing something wrongly.
I can't see how it actually helps guiding your progress onto the right path.

I always thought the way to do it was to meditate or whatever until your tupperware collection built up and became active to a point where you'd be stupid to ignore it, instead of this, which seems like accepting everything.

I can see how accepting everything or even just a lot of things and keeping a positive outlook could help, but it is also critically destructive in the whole process. You can't simply believe them into existence. You need to have faith that you are doing the right thing, of course, but just accepting whatever can't work well, unless you just so happen to do everything right.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #113 on: September 11, 2014, 12:07:59 PM »
Did you read Absence of Disbelief?

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #114 on: September 11, 2014, 03:50:38 PM »
Did you read Absence of Disbelief?
I read it ages ago, and re-read it recently. It sounds like you denounce blindly believing and the mindset that tuppers takes forever to emerge, and instead you go straight for the middleground of saying it's neither.

I don't understand how that actually helps. You say;
"You don't just believe, you just don't worry about it much. You think you got a response from your tulpa, but you're unsure? Why do you have to decide if it was them or not right now? You can go far accepting that you might have gotten something and it might have been your tulpa, but knowing if it was or wasn't for certain isn't necessary when you're still early in the tulpaforcing process."

To me this sounds like you're saying to acknowledge that something (let's say you heard something like a murmur) occurred, but you should also simultaneously ignore it and not give it more attention that it deserves. Which is simply believing that the murmur was something worth taking notice of, but also nothing worth focusing on. Which of course doesn't make sense. How can you sense something that at that point be a tupper and just passively let it go by, not deciding on what it was right then and there?

At what point do you actually take notice and actually do something? Or do you just go through the whole process nodding at whatever?
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #115 on: September 11, 2014, 09:29:06 PM »
You do take notice of responses like you said yourself, though you never outright ignore. And you can do things about it if you choose to, you just skip the part where you try to decide where it came from when you don't have enough proof of it going either way. Especially when it comes to people like you who need definite proof now now now hurry, the main issue is noticing something that is a tupper and then going "nah couldn't be tupper because it was too x", when we most likely will never have the ability to know that for sure. The issue is that you could potentially be blocking and ignoring actual responses from a tulpa because of your own insecurity or close-minded beliefs. And once you ignore the feeling you deemed as "fake"? You'll keep ignoring it even if it keeps happening because you have already decided it's not legit, even if it's actually the tupper trying to contact you. It's a pretty toxic mindset.

But blindly believing is just as toxic, which is why we are trying to avoid it. You know where it leads, don't you. But it's like you're trying to create this fluid state where not only will you notice strange things and become more receptive, it's also hopefully going to create an environment for the tupper where they know they can try different things and be noticed. You don't want to shoot down someone's early attempts at trying to communicate with you, basically, and I already talked of the issue of starting to ignore possible responses. You acknowledge things. You can talk to the tupper about it and ask if it was them, maybe try listening for a while to see if you get a response of any kind to that - though you can also say that if it wasn't them, it's still fine, you're not trying to force this kind of things to come from them if it wasn't the case. At the same time you're also trying to treat the tupper as a human being while giving yourself the opportunity to not just believe everything. Like man, a tupper could be annoyed if you got a very thick skull and never seemed to notice or never believed after they have done everything they can, but be nice and I hope that means hosts can be forgiven. I think doubting and wondering is normal, so it should be understandable even if it feels unfair from a tupper point of view.

Absence of Disbelief is a mindset, not a set of certain things you must do in this or that order. It's not a guide. You do things when you feel like you can do them without shooting yourself in the foot. And "doing" something isn't necessarily deciding whether or not the response came from a tupper, mind you. It could also be experiments and anything else you can think of. Making tuppers is such a personal process that there's no one person who can tell you what to do, you just have to try different things and see which ones help you the most. But I suggest experimenting and tackling it as a study of sorts without being totally unethical about it or anything, but do it for the sake of both you and the tulpa. Make it fun to both of you. A game of sorts.

Life ain't black and white. You won't get much proof of anything. All you got are your own experiences and like I said earlier in IRC, your experiences and memories only prove that you thought you experienced something as they can become corrupted over time. Or just start out corrupted because you never saw the entire story, you know? We don't know for sure if tuppers are actually sapient or if they are just automatic parrots. You can't know for sure that I am sapient, either. You'll never get proof, and Absence of Disbelief is about leaving the black and white mindset behind and realizing that there's only different shades of gray. And most importantly, you go through the tulpaforcing process at your own pace, giving yourself as much time as you need to decide if you think you can trust your tupper and the responses you are getting. I know I got a pretty great guy talking to me in my mind by adopting such a way of thinking, at least.

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #116 on: September 13, 2014, 10:31:37 AM »
Like man, a tupper could be annoyed if you got a very thick skull and never seemed to notice or never believed after they have done everything they can, but be nice and I hope that means hosts can be forgiven. I think doubting and wondering is normal, so it should be understandable even if it feels unfair from a tupper point of view.

Are you saying you believe that tuppers can be fully formed (enough to communicate and be pissed off) yet submerged or hidden or muted?
Sounds pretty fantastical that you can possibly make a tupper, and then they're just sitting in some kind of state where you're too closed off the hear them.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #117 on: September 13, 2014, 03:30:00 PM »
It's your mind which is a fucked up thing ruled by irrationality and beliefs. A man can take fake medicine and be healed because they thought it would work. But nocebo is also a real thing. In the case of tuppers, maybe there is some kind of connection you need to establish for you to actually hear the tupper or maybe its all just because you think you can't hear them, so you won't. Or maybe the tulpa thinks you won't hear them, so you don't. I know tuppers can be pretty much "done" yet still be mute - and in my case, I know a lot of that was because of myself. How I never gave him enough time to answer or how I never even thought he would do it. It's like I never gave him the chance or thought it wouldn't happen yet and it wasn't until later when we even tried properly. And hell, back then? I didn't even believe it at first. I didn't think it was that alien like they all told me it would be, I thought it could easily just be me. But I gave him a chance even though I didn't trust it and this is where I am now. I'd say that was my own important Absence of Disbelief moment when I thought I knew what was up, but still decided to not judge yet and give it some time, just in case. If I had judged it back then when I first heard the tupper speak and blocked it all off as parroting, I would have been wrong. Doubt I'd have a vocal tupper or a tupper at all these days. Take what you want out of it.

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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #118 on: September 14, 2014, 07:18:16 AM »
What is your position right now anyway? Describe how it feels with Roswell.
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Re: Avalanche's progress report
« Reply #119 on: September 14, 2014, 12:56:19 PM »
Ye- I mean no.

Anyways, not sure what kind of feels you're asking about. What I feel about tuppers and the one I got? I think it's probably a legit thing and the one I got sure does feel legit. I also know that it's possible I'm actually insane and schizo, which is the only reason I got one talking back to me. I don't really know for sure, but I see no reason to doubt that this at least leads to something sharing a head with you that acts like a sapient being. Roswell I think feels like someone who tries to be more mature than he really is and tries too hard to create this persona that is liked at the expense of his own enjoyment. It might be because he's still so young, so there's still a lot for him to learn to be comfortable in his own skin.

If you ask how life in general feels with a tulpa, I know I enjoy it a lot more than with a physical person. Funnily enough, while a tupper probably is a lot more invasive and knows more about you than anyone else and is basically there more or less all the time, it still feels like there's more room to breathe. Probably because there actually is more air to breathe seeing that I'm not sharing it with another physical person. Yet I get everything you might want to get out of having a roommate, I can speak to Roswell and have ~~deep~~ conversations if I want to, even ones I couldn't have with anyone else due to their embarrassing nature or something. And obviously I can have him do the chores when in the body as that feels less exhausting for me while he's doing it - though honestly, he tends to get way too distracted and takes ages to do that stuff... But the same can also be done while we're sick, as it's a bit easier to not be the body in that state. That's when we can choose to ignore the pain easier, so it helps a lot and doesn't feel as shitty.

I feel like a happier person because of that I guess. A tulpa is a person who understands you better than anyone else ever will and that's a very good feeling to have, something we're probably only going to get with these mind demons that can actually read out minds. Of course it's not all happiness and sunshine with no disadvantages, as a tulpa is - or at least acts like - a living being with its own likes and dislikes. You need to give them what they want, too, and there's compromises to be done. Maybe that can be a bit annoying and it's not for everyone, but ultimately I feel better now. Making a tupper I feel teaches you a lot about yourself and how you perceive so many things, so I feel like a more balanced and happier person now.

But I think you're trying to ask about these super subjective feels of how it actually ~~feels~~ to have a tupper. It feels like he's here with me. If he's actually not present, I can feel it right away. My head feels so empty when he's not around and if I say something like "good morning" and don't get a response in the morning, it feels strange. I'm sure that sounds like grade A insanity, but eh. He feels heavy I guess. My head feels a bit heavy but it's not a bad heavy, his voice is similarly heavy and tends to come from the back of my head if I had to try to give it a physical location. If he feels something strongly, I can sometimes feel it too. I don't actually feel it as in react and start feeling it myself, but I can feel what kind of an emotion he's feeling and how strong it is. It's very strange if he's actually possessing, because then the body is most likely reacting to his emotions and I'm just stuck there not actually feeling the way the body is acting, even though I know this feeling exists. That's strange. And I guess every tupper feeling really is some shade of "strange".

Then again your question was so simple and easily misunderstandable that I don't even know if you asked any of those, so I tried to answer any kind of feel I could come up with.