Author Topic: Every Day is Alice Day  (Read 115190 times)

Re: Every Day is Table Salt
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2015, 07:11:09 AM »
How completely wacky and random. It's entertaining to play along. Reminds me once more of my early experiments in trying to let the uncontrolled thoughts control the behaviour of my imaginary friends. Only triviality and cheekiness.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2015, 08:25:54 AM »
Well, consider this: the moment you pay attention to these unconscious thoughts, they stop being unconscious and become conscious. The line is so blurry that I don't understand why you need to make the distinction in the first place, these thoughts don't exist in only one shape or form. And a human mind is not a computer, we're going to have to put that out there because the analogy is so old at this point.

Good to see I'm not the only one who sometimes eats with tupper when with other people. Sure makes you feel nice and crazy inside...

Re: Every Other Day is Alice Day
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2015, 12:59:52 PM »
Well, consider this: the moment you pay attention to these unconscious thoughts, they stop being unconscious and become conscious.

I propose an alternative: the moment you pay attention to an unconscious thought, then due to how low-level and obscure the thought is, you don't actually pay attention to the real thought, but instead automatically form an abstraction interface that tries to acknowledge the thought in a way you can comprehend. So the thought remains unconscious and goes about its merry, automatic business, but now has a bunch of crud gathered around it because you're "focused" on it.

Anyway, I dunno. These are just concepts, so the more you try to take them literally and concrete them, the more abstract the conversation about them becomes. I suppose that's kind of ironic. So I'll just stop here.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2015, 05:21:24 PM »
Interesting concepts but I agree. Such discussions usually lead to nothing useful. Better leave it to the scientists and use the time to force moar.

Also if eating with tupper already makes you feel crazy, how about going to the dentist with 'company'? The guy must be thinking I'm totally nuts as I started laughing while he was drilling around in my teeth. Worst thing is realizing that he's probably right.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2015, 07:06:17 PM »
Well I bet dentists don't feel too weirded out by that. They do have to deal with some nervous and fearful patients, and you know how laughter is a very possible reaction in such situations...

Have you played enough video games with tuppers yet?

Re: Alice Day is Every Day
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2015, 06:20:57 AM »
The guy must be thinking I'm totally nuts as I started laughing while he was drilling around in my teeth. Worst thing is realizing that he's probably right.

Yeah, but you're not really nuts, though. Sorry. Heheh I wish I were crazy and nuts, guys. Totally bonkers lol. Tuppers != imaginary friends, therefore tuppers = crazy.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2015, 07:13:12 PM »
By declaring himself insane one demonstrates his own sanity and thus cannot be considered insane.
Catch22

So what would be a more fitting description?
inb4 faggot

And no, I don't think I've played enough vidya with tupper, been a while since the last time.

Re: Earyv Daey is Ae Dlicy
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2015, 10:09:02 AM »
By declaring himself insane one demonstrates his own sanity and thus cannot be considered insane.

Tell me something I don't know. You're throwing "nuts" and "crazy" around like it's a funny, little in-joke – almost as if you don't know what it means to fit that term and how unfunny it is to be it. And your imaginary friend is just doing one random thing after another. Hardly any realism present at all. You fucking suck mate wow fuck.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2015, 11:53:27 AM »
Are you doing one random thing after another too, fodde? Deep.

Re: Every Day is May Day
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2015, 02:37:34 AM »
Yes, but less whimsically. I don't take leisure in playing along in some kind of perpetual act where I'm faux interacting with the real world, or doing trivial things repeatedly, or both. But I've had to endure the torture of not being able to think clearly for so long that I've become desensitised to said torture, and I resort to doing a moderate set of mental and physical tasks as a result. Creating an imaginary friend to do the same would only be rubbing salt into the wound.

Okay enough about me, this thread is about Bernard.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2015, 06:50:53 PM »
Still here, but little to report until now.
I don't wanna torture Fede with random episodes of the past anymore so let's move to what's currently going on.

I've been quite lazy with active forcing in the past month, mainly just talking to each other and some imposition stuff with little success. Was to be expected.
As a result tupper has started to feel weaker and is not exactly pleased. So I decided to try something new and different from usual active forcing for a change and remembered that sentience test where you place some object on your tulpa's head and see if they take it off themselves. What happens when you focus on keeping the object in place while the tupper tries the opposite?

Basically the idea is to puppet Alice while she puts all her strength in trying to resist my influence. That should help her to become stronger and more independent.

Making tupper shut up is next to impossible, it's equally hard as shutting up my own thoughts. Making her say things while she tries to stay silent is way easier.
When trying to move her or change her form it's the opposite, it's easier for Alice to stay still when I try to move her than moving when I want her to stay immobile. In any case, visual stuff is much harder for her to control than mindvoice.
Can't talk about visual or auditory imposition or possession as we are incapable of the first two and possession is so weak that acting against it even slightly immediately breaks the whole thing.

I can't say how much it really helps but we had quite some fun and spent time on active forcing. So I'd call it a success.

Re: Every Day is Standard
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2015, 01:52:08 AM »
It's standard, so nothing to worry about.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2015, 07:14:00 AM »
Be sure to eat cake together.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2015, 07:52:21 PM »
What's with your cake obsession, colonel?



Thinking about it, I can't really remember eating cake together. I still tend to forget about her when in company which sucks.
Will definitely make one for Alice's birthday because why the fuck not. Cake is always good. Unless it's a lie.

Been hiking in the alps for the past week.
Lots of time in solitude to spend with tupper, got at least a little progress.
Worked mainly on independence and voice. Both are still mediocre at best. Her mind-voice sounds exactly like mine if I don't focus on it really hard.

However I'm proud to report some results with auditory imposition.
I spent lots of time near rivers and waterfalls which produced quite a lot of noise. This rumbling works a lot better for me than any artificial tones when it comes to auditory hallucinations. I like Fede's Eye Bo for focusing but it never made me hear voices that weren't there. The water did.
Results varied greatly depending on location but in one spot close to a waterfall I had to stop meditating several times and opened my eyes because I could swear there were people talking or walking around in some distance to me. It was a bunch of women's or children's voices and sometimes a deeper male voice. Just mumbling but highly realistic.
It took me some time to imagine Alice using one of the female voices and managed to let her say some words or short sentences that more or less matched the mumbling. It may not sound like much but it felt pretty amazing. Matching general sounds worked even better and I could clearly imagine Alice bustling around in the shallow water, throwing some rocks and walking around a few meters from me.
Unfortunately I couldn't stay long in this place as I had to hike back but I'd say it was one of my best tuppering experiences so far. Unfortunately roaring waterfalls and alpine rivers are not exactly stuff you can keep in your living room but if you ever have the chance to come close to one try to listen to it.

Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2015, 08:22:51 AM »
Because you need cake, man.

You should tell Dutch about your audio adventures, he's trying to work on that now. Have you tried recordings of water?