Author Topic: This makes two  (Read 389072 times)

Re: This makes two
« Reply #195 on: April 09, 2014, 03:33:35 PM »
Good, good. Keep doing that narration.

Well really, socking a tupper in the jaw isn't anything bad either, really. They could choose to not feel a thing, as it's all imaginary senses anyways. If that's your way of saying hi, then... Go ahead?

Drawing from life is awesome and it is what actually teaches you how stuff looks like. Like I've said earlier, realism is the only thing that isn't a style. Styles are applied on top of realism, so if your realism sucks, your stylistic drawings will also be off. But there's always other things you enjoy drawing more than the rest, so I for example wouldn't really enjoy drawing chairs either but living things like humans and animals, those would be awesome. Even if they're not really alive at that point anymore. A skull study would be cool too, just because I have this design that requires a cow skull-like head on a creature...

No need to feel awkward because of nudity, though. You Americans, stop giving us more stereotype fuel!

Give tupper Rapunzel hair, brush hair forever.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #196 on: April 10, 2014, 07:51:54 AM »
Sorry, the American stereotype is that all of you are extremely squeamish of seeing nude people. Seeing your family members naked would also be about as bad as incest while where I live (which is none of those places you mentioned, hah) that would be pretty normal. Reminds me, I sort of recently saw this play in theater where the actor suddenly removed his clothes and was completely naked. I laughed in my mind thinking that if this had happened in the glorious USA, he would have been sued for sexual harassment...

I know you're interested, but I'm sorry to say that he was nothing to write home about.

Keep texting, you need to do an hour every day! Don't slack off now or you'll get a frowny sticker.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #197 on: April 10, 2014, 10:39:42 AM »
Finns never were vikings, so that's one point you lost there. You'll have to live with the mystery.

In your texting case, how many you send might be better than logging time. But if you actually talk or visualize and you have a possibility to time it, do so.

Your first responses could really happen in any possible way and there's no one set method, either. In my case, I guess I liked telling him to talk or asked him questions and then tried to clear my mind without you know, stopping everything from happening? It's funny, a similar method was told to me when I was starting out and I didn't understand it before I managed to actually get it to work. You don't want to be thinking too much or else you might overpower a faint voice, but you can't also forcibly stop every thought going on in your head or you might as well accidentally force the tupper quiet, too.

Though some people use a completely opposite method of filling their head with thoughts and seeing if they manage to hear something that's off and going from there. And it's also possible that the tupper isn't able to talk back to you right now.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #198 on: April 11, 2014, 08:41:41 AM »
What things do you know much about? Perhaps make a list of subjects for every forcing session and talk about them for as long as you can? Like maybe your favorite tv shows or something, explain the characters and the story and the setting in detail. And some cool PLOT TWISTS or something. Or maybe you like animals and you can tell someone a lot about them. Or cooking. Favorite foods, how they are prepared, what do you need for them, why do you like them etc.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #199 on: April 11, 2014, 09:42:40 AM »
Sure, sounds cool. And I'm sure you know a lot more. There's movies you have watched, cartoons you have liked, stuff you have played, things you have read. All of those are possible narration fodder. You're just shooting yourself in the foot by not thinking you have anything, but sorry to say... You haven't grown up in a bubble. You know more.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #200 on: April 11, 2014, 12:00:15 PM »
Surely you can talk more about those things. You're writing it all down, you don't even have to plan what you say out perfectly. Just write things that pop into your mind. That Legolas guy was an elf. The guy who wrote the books loved doing conlangs and created tons of languages, some for the elves to use. They're pretty cool.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #201 on: April 11, 2014, 05:16:21 PM »
You're the one making it difficult. Just write it down, I bet that once you manage to get over your limitations, you'll make some faster progress. Really, you might have been called useless or worthless or good for nothing or something during your life one time too many, but that doesn't mean it's the truth. But you can make it the truth by listening to them and never trying again.

Not sure how much I could help anyone with colors, but you could post more in off-topic or something if you're really serious about it. Present us what you already know, maybe some colors you would like to use so we have something to start with.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #202 on: April 14, 2014, 05:45:55 AM »
Do you have any cool parks? Do you like window shopping? Going for a walk with the tupper can be Great Fun. As for vocality, can't say I really bought it or thought it was that cool when I first it got it happening, but it got better as time went on.

Also frowny faces for your shitty weekend. You have to make in the hours or you can't not do anything. A schedule won't work if you don't bother sticking to it.

And because there was actually some tupper-related stuff there, I guess I can comment on the colors of a character. The ponies are all pretty saturated and bright, but if you just pick the super saturated colors then our eyes will bleed. You're going to have to start picking and deciding where you want the contrast to be. Dark mane, light body, vice versa or maybe even dark/dark, light/light? Is one of the colors going to be paler, less saturated to help with making the pony look nicer? Because the ponies usually seem to have their name connect to their appearance and/or personality, I guess Airy Blue would give you one color to start with which is some shade of blue and a theme of air.

But what do you do with that blue? Will there be other colors? You could either go with all blue shades which should compliment each other nicely, or you could go to the close neighbors of green and purple, perhaps with a bit of a blue-ish tint. Or you could throw in oranges, red and yellows for contrast. The eye especially could be whatever striking, super saturated color you want, that's how the whatever generation ponies these are look.

But if you ask me and give me the name of "Airy Blue"... I would say a light blue body, probably pretty saturated and white mane/tail with one, darker blue stripe on both. For some contrast. Makes me think of a summer sky which in my eyes would be pretty bright and full of clouds, you know. Some actual colors, eh, have links I guess, Wikipedia to the rescue.

Body colors you might want to think of: Baby Blue, Celeste (or any of the other lighter "sky blue" colors), Tiffany Blue

For the stripe: International Klein Blue, Persian Blue, Medium Blue, Egyptian Blue

For the eye, it could be anything you want really, but I think some really saturated blue would look nice. Sort of something like the medium blue above, to tie it in with the hair color stripes. But it could really be something like orange if you want.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #203 on: April 15, 2014, 04:29:49 AM »
Hey, I'd love to visit a Walmart. They're pretty big and full of stuff, aren't they? Don't have any around me, so I need one giant super store to window shop in. Be sure to hold your tupper's hand in public so you can start dropping spaghetti when you two move in a position where your hand should be held in an awkward position.

Though you could try reading and watching movies with a tupper, obviously. For narration purposes, it might be better to rewatch things you already have so you don't get too distracted by it, if you're very into it. You might also want to put something to remind yourself of the tupper somewhere you can see or feel it, so you'll remember.

Certainly did do a good amount of personality forcing back in the day. I don't really think I was following one single method, but I wanted to start with personality anyways. I'm not sure how much a tupper would be affected by personality forcing as they really become something after they've experienced the world for a bit, but it's definitely narration if nothing else. With a very limited subject. So in a way, that can be easier, you can just make a mantra you repeat over and over again without having to think too much, just focus on ~~feels~~.

So yeah, 5 to 10 minutes for a trait could be really difficult unless you have a lot to say, but it's a different story if you're not afraid of repeating. That's why this step of the creation process has been boring for many and why many no longer do it or suggest doing it. But hey, try stuff and see what sticks.

But really, saying good morning or good night should not be a chore. When you're feeling lazy, it takes a couple of seconds and you have no excuse. If you want to spend more time with the tupper then, you certainly can. But the minimum is a couple of seconds.

As for the pone, with a name like Auburn, red hair is nice I guess. Those colors are rather muted and muddy, which at least means that there's no eye burn, but next to all the other marshmallow ponies... They're going to end up looking a bit strange. The ponies in the show are usually very vibrant and saturated. Contrast between desaturated and saturated could be nice though, so I suggest playing around a bit. Leave the pelt how it is and make the hair really like a sunset or something.

+1 naked tupper

Re: This makes two
« Reply #204 on: April 15, 2014, 08:44:54 AM »
In most cases, what is hard is just starting it out. You keep putting the task you gotta do away because you think it's going to either be awful or you need to do something special. But in this case, it's a couple of words. Few seconds off your life given to the tupper. It's just a matter or saying those words.

The thing with forcing, the best method really is your own method. That's why the early ones were super strict, because they didn't know that yet. But know we know anything can work and the best method is the one that just happens to work for you. I do know where you're coming from, back then we had schedules and methods easily laid out for us. Do x for y time. Can't get much simpler than that. Some people just need simple instructions and too much freedom is just going to hurt them.

But remember, even though you're overwhelmed, that freedom is really on your side. There is no right or wrong way so you can't ruin everything if you decide to do something. So yeah, follow the old ways if you want to, plenty of us made tuppers back then too, following those very guides. Just don't get too stuck on anything, if something else feels better then try that instead, go wild.

When other artists draw your characters, they'd surely appreciate a reference sheet with exact colors listed, heh. Right now these two look so different I would think that they're different characters. Though I guess if you're not sure, getting artists to draw their own version so you can pick your favorite is a good idea too.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #205 on: April 15, 2014, 11:26:41 AM »
Well all are different. Back then it was nothing but strict guidelines, now it's avoiding those strict guidelines because they hurt some. But total freeform is going to hurt others. This community is far from having the perfect way to help others with their tupper problems, but perhaps with time it'll evolve again. Be something less extreme and meet somewhere in the middle when it comes to the methods, so all kinds of people will find the best method to guide them through the process.

It's simple to see why you have a lack of progress. Because you don't really do anything, you see everything as a chore and you probably are one of those master procrastinators. You can say "lazy", sure. You're in a bit of a tricky situation as far as your life goes, in a way it could be the perfect opportunity for you to get away from it all for a moment and spend all that time with a tupper, yet you're stressing constantly about it. So that leaves you pretty exhausted mentally if not also physically. Not the ideal time to force.

Okay it's Theory Tuesday. Minimal work might work for some and in some of these cases, this minimal work might require like, years. Many years. Working on it constantly and really focusing on greating a tupper is of course going to give you faster results.

I guess we can wonder how a tupper is created and that's where we start forcing theories down everyone's throats. I think I can say for certain that I got a voice in my head, of others I can't be sure. So I have created a voice that responds to me and I haven't had it before. So we went from no voice/another personality in my head to a scenario where there is one. Question is why, isn't it? Ton of work, but that also makes us ask how the hell that really works.

I don't know anything for certain, but the moment I read about this whole tupper thing, I just went "sure, why not", accepting that it might be possible. The power of our mind can be pretty amazing and that's why I sort of linked this to placebo. A person can be given fake medicine they think works and it can actually truly work, despite not having anything that should make them feel better, so their mind basically creates a real effect. In some cases, this fake medicine is even better than the real one, so that's pretty amazing.

I believe a tupper is basically created when you fool yourself to believe that there is someone in your head when there really isn't. Before you start, there isn't one in your head, of course. Assuming you don't have a history with sapient imaginary friends. It's just a process of fooling yourself into thinking it exists through a lot of work, forcing and narration and such. And as with placebo, I would think that the effect could be real and actually give you that voice in your head, even though it didn't exist before. Might be more difficult because you're aware of what you're doing and you're not fooled into it like with placebo medicine tests, but certainly possible. I think we're proof of that.

It's all about the mindset. Forcing is just fooling yourself into thinking you're talking to someone else when there is no one. You get a tupper once your mind is fooled enough. If you can't even say "hi" to this other person, I'd say you don't think there really is another person in your head, which leads into no progress and no tupper. The first step is to treat them like another person, one with their own wants and needs and dreams and whatever. A person you spend time with. I hope you enjoyed your Theory Tuesday.

As for the ponies, if you make me imagine "auburn skies", then I would think of a setting or a rising sun and the sky when it's full of beautiful reds and oranges. I think the orange/brown aka auburn hair would fit the name better and you do tend to pair your redheads with green eyes pretty often, but it's a rather boring hair color for a cartoon marshmallow pony. A bit too realistic and plain. So I would make it flashier and more vibrant.

But I guess muted, neutral and normal colors could fit a very down to earth character. A wallflower, no one special. Or at least one who doesn't think they're special.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #206 on: April 16, 2014, 08:08:21 AM »
Wait, that pone's supposed to be a male? Did your artists know that?

Re: This makes two
« Reply #207 on: April 16, 2014, 11:16:15 AM »
Hey, you can have a feminine dude still look like a dude unless you want the joke to be that they're a trap....

And now this thread has been derailed.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #208 on: April 16, 2014, 02:03:20 PM »
Well when you already want something the show doesn't allow, then throw the show's rules out of the window. The artstyle is so simple that's really the only way they can make it clearly obvious what is a dude and what is not. But often, tips to make your guy look more like a guy is to have less round shapes. Bushier eyebrows maybe, longer snouts for your ponies. Maybe add hooves and feathers like many of the male characters have. Or smaller eyes. Perhaps longer limbs or a sturdier build, depending on what kind of a body type you want the pony to have. The ponies in the show, as far as I know, only have few body and face types. Limiting yourself to those seems a bit silly, but hey. Also you could give them more masculine haircuts, long hair can look masculine or feminine depending on how it's styled I guess.

Here, it's still a dude looks like a lady with pretty girly hair as I have no idea how you look like and I only have these pictures to go from, but I dunno. Maybe someone might actually wonder if it's a dude or a chick instead of just instantly thinking chick. Also don't expect much because it's a really fast sketch with a thick brush and I can't into marshmallow pones.

There's some narration fodder for you.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #209 on: April 16, 2014, 02:29:50 PM »
Sure thing, many chicks like pretty boys and many others enjoy traps. But when it comes to character creation, you want it to fit the character. Mostly if us viewers confuse the character's gender, then do all the characters in the story or whatever also do the same mistake? If they don't, why? You can get some pretty good character building stuff from that.

And I can't say I really know "I'll just keep the pone how it is" means, when you've given me two completely different pictures which don't even look like the same character...

I guess if your tupper's form is something you can obsess over, it can be easier. If you have a character in mind then I guess you can use it as the tupper's form as long as you want. Or they, if they manage to grow bored of it before you do.