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Announcements / Spring cleaning
« on: April 25, 2019, 05:01:09 PM »
Sands and I hadn't been paying much attention to this place in the last while, and the spambot problem was getting kind of bad. So, a couple of things.
  • I've added stricter registration requirements - in particular, you need to verify emails. Sorry, it's not fun, but it helps.
  • I've cleaned up a lot of spambot posting on the forum. They should be all gone. In many cases I bypassed the usual 'move to deleted posts' procedure and deleted things directly; it's just much faster that way.
  • I've deactivated (i.e., they will need email activation) accounts in a large time range. If you're a human and you're being told you need to activate your account, that'll be it. Again it's actually just a lot easier to do than banning bots outright.

I'm hoping that these things will keep things a bit cleaner for a while. With that said, I'm not really going to be paying a whole lot more attention than before. If you're interested, I'm sure Sands and I would be amenable to a few people who actually use this place to become moderators and keep things tidy themselves. In the meantime, the best way to reach me on this forum is on IRC - I'm on Rizon, with (currently) the nick nyaffles. You can PM me but I never really check those.

Deleted Posts / make or break time
« on: July 17, 2014, 10:14:22 AM »
come oooooooooooooooooon

Deleted Posts / so now pretty urls is gone let's see
« on: July 17, 2014, 10:07:47 AM »
if this breaks then I'll probably just burn down tulpanet and fly to cuba

Deleted Posts / this is the last thing I'm trying
« on: July 17, 2014, 10:05:49 AM »
let's goooo

Deleted Posts / If this breaks the forum then I will cry
« on: July 17, 2014, 09:46:00 AM »
I'm worried

Deleted Posts / okay
« on: July 17, 2014, 09:39:21 AM »
let's see

Deleted Posts / just testing that I can post
« on: July 17, 2014, 09:35:05 AM »

Deleted Posts / just testing that I can post
« on: July 17, 2014, 09:33:56 AM »
I'm sure I can but anyway

Deleted Posts / if this works then happy days
« on: July 17, 2014, 08:31:10 AM »
otherwise I will be sad

General Discussion / What is a Tulpa?
« on: December 22, 2013, 02:38:21 PM »
So it's theory time. I'm going to post most of something I posted elsewhere a while ago, for your reading (dis)pleasure. There is a summary at the end. The below is all my opinion and so on, but I can't prefix everything with "I think" without rendering it completely unreadable. And on readability, I've tried to break it up, and underline different theories for clarity.
All of these ideas assume a more or less conventional theory of mind, and none have been tested empirically as far as I know. Also, I know there are far more viewpoints out there that are't covered here but I think a lot of the big ones are.

Taking a black box approach, functionally, a tulpa is capable of conscious thought, or at least a very good imitation of it. In normal conversation they will generate responses to your communications in a way that is unconscious to you; not only are these responses convincingly sophisticated but also more or less consistent with a personality separate to your own. Moreover, this personality is not necessarily as expected by the host, as countless experiences of deviation and such will tell. You could argue that instinctive responses are not conscious and that this is all a tulpa can do, but I think experience does discount this too.

A lot of people say that [conversations with] tulpas are either (1) self-generated responses that we label as not us, or (2) entities (and responses) created entirely by expectation. I don't think these ideas make a whole lot of sense when considered with the previous paragraph in mind.

For example, if the second idea were true then a tulpa would not be able to differ from the host's expectations. More formally, for no conscious thought to occur on behalf of the tulpa their actions must be pre-calculated (somehow) and thus expected by the host, since otherwise these actions will have been generated unconsciously. However, tulpas can and do respond in ways that are not expected by the host, which disproves the idea. Given that, I think it's reasonable to say that tulpas do possess some sort of conscious capability.

For number one, you have the issue that if a tulpa is unconscious to you but generates conscious thought it is a stretch to say that it is still 'you' in the first place. If you hold onto the view then it becomes a semantic point of where 'you' end in your mind - and not, in my opinion, a sensible one - rather than a question of psychology.

This conscious capability does not have to be consciousness as in 'true', philosophical sentience, nor does it even have to resemble conscious thought inside the black box. Therefore, without opening the box I think there are two separate approaches to take:

The first is that tulpas do possess conscious thought. It goes rather like the commonly-stated idea that you "split off a part of your own consciousness", although not phrased that badly. The idea is that you make part of your neural machinery for conscious thought (this is hypothetical, sure) unconscious to you. This then becomes governed separately to you, i.e., while it still generates responses, it is no longer influenced by your personality and instead receives its own.

There are a few issues with this view, I think. Firstly, it supposes a distinct 'conscious thought' structure in the brain which is not only not wholly tied to your own awareness, but can be modified, non-trivially but without too much trouble, to form two separate structures that (at least one-way) do not interfere. Secondly, it supposes that this structure is also distinct from personality, such that it can be uncoupled from it or reassembled to exclude it in favour of another.

For these together I think there are two solutions. One is that you 'create' a new personality and thought structureyou merely personify existing aspects of your psyche. I said "psyche" so I think you know where this is going. Carl Jung's ideas about archetypes are quite useful here. Jung said that unconscious factors affecting our personality could be identified as essentially distinct sets. The main one of interest here is the anima; given that the majority of hosts are male I can be sexist like he was and neglect the others. Put simply, the anima is the feminine side of a man, but more precisely it is the influences that take effect when dealing with women. In personifying it and giving it voice, you appear to create a female personality which can react fundamentally as it did when wholly unconscious, but to you and in a more human-like manner.

Again, this idea is not without its problems; mainly, it does not account at all for hosts with tulpas of the same gender. An extension of the archetypes might account for this, but would not quite be in keeping with Jung's original theory: the masculine side of a masculine self was, of course, conscious. Nevertheless I prefer this model to the first, not least because it is grounded in accepted psychology but also because the actual creation - the personification - has a fairly strong precedent in said psychology.

The second is that tulpas do not possess conscious thought, but rather, an imitation or simulation of it. This approach in general is vaguer and therefore more justifiable. Plus, you can pick and choose unconscious processes to be a tulpa, so it's more fun to consider. My personal pet theory is that tulpas are products of empathetic machinery: you (need to) have a way to predict the actions of others and empathise with them, which requires some sort of estimation of their mental processes, done unconsciously. Expectation of a response from an as-yet unformed tulpa pushes your empathetic framework to estimate behaviour, as would happen in real-life interaction. Repeating this strengthens the structure, and so on, eventually being able to generate responses clearly and easily.

As always, there are problems, principally that people do not generally empathise with their tulpas as strongly as would be expected. Despite this the model fits with what works for creation as well as others do, and fits in the seemingly overwhelmingly powerful factor of expectation neatly. Moreover, the neurology of empathy is of much interest to the scientific community, and concepts such as 'mirror neurons' are of much help fitting the model in with the brain itself.

Another thing I want to mention is the oft-quoted "tulpas are like you but in your head"

Lastly, all of the above, as I said, supposes a fairly standard theory of mind. If we go beyond, we are given even more freedom at the cost of any substantiation. For example, we'll assume that rather than consciousness being active, it is merely a passive window onto 'conscious' thought. Now all that is required to create a tulpa is to shift this 'window' in such a way that we become aware of other, latent fields of conscious thought that we mark as existent and personify. It fits the facts, for sure, but that may be because it has essentially no grounding in anything approaching accepted theory and is therefore vague or malleable enough to fit anything. Nevertheless, such things are worth bearing in mind. It's not like accepted theory is all that strong in the first place.

To summarise, I prefer to keep options open and support a range of different theories, as none of them are without flaw and none of them have been tested empirically. I think highly of the idea of a 'personified unconscious', or 'thought simulation' models, and I dislike the conventional "another consciousness, end of story" idea because fast/multiple tulpas breaks it for me. I also don't think it's reasonable to say that "tulpas are just illusions", although the specifics of such propositions may render them more sensible in my eyes.

And Sands if you say "a miserable little pile of secrets" you'll be banned from this thread forever.

Deleted Posts / Test Thread
« on: October 15, 2013, 02:23:46 PM »
Going to test this new link thingy.

Announcements / Technical Updates
« on: September 29, 2013, 09:23:30 AM »
This thread is going to be where we'll post all the small tweaks to the site. To start off with:

Sands' announcement about the menu for switching subaccounts being moved is below this thread.
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General Discussion / Tic Tac Toe
« on: September 21, 2013, 08:04:48 PM »
So I tried playing Tic Tac Toe (T/N: Noughts and Crosses) with my tulpa. After maybe 30 or 40 games, my tulpa had established her dominance. Not only is it strange that I would ever lose, it is doubly strange that when I paid the most attention to her plans I lost the most frequently.

So, play Tic Tac Toe with your tulpas and post results.

Guides / How to tulpa
« on: September 21, 2013, 12:38:01 PM »
NB: "Tulpa" is not actually a verb. Also, "they" here is used as singular.

This post is intended to be a 'start here' for aspiring tulpaforcers. It outlines the creation process in rough, and if you want more detail on any aspect then look for a guide on it. As with any other guide, you don't have to follow it; there are alternatives. Explanations of the terms used can be found in the Glossary; glossed terms are italicised on their first use.

What to expect
Expect a tulpa at the end of it. They will talk to you in your head autonomously and all that, much like an imaginary friend with a mind of its own (i.e., an imaginary friend as portrayed in media). The process to a vocal tulpa can take anywhere from a few days to a few months, and to imposition usually longer.


There are three main steps here, two of which are optional. These two are creating your tulpa's form and personality, and are usually done in forcing sessions where you sit down and focus entirely on the task at hand:

This involves visualising your tulpa. Decide how they should look and then practice picturing them in your head until your visualisation of them is fairly clear and you can easily conjure up their image. Most people do this step here but it is not necessary. A tulpa can exist without a form, and you can give them a new form at any time.
Most of the useful guides for this are labeled "visualization".

This involves creating your tulpa's personality. Most methods involve picking certain traits that you want your tulpa to have and describing them to yourself or your tulpa; you can also use symbolism, e.g., imagining your tulpa as an orb and seeing it absorb traits. Most tulpas will deviate from their personality if you give them one. If you do not, like many other people, your tulpa will gain a personality by itself.

And, most importantly:

This involves giving your tulpa attention. It is highly recommended that you give your tulpa attention in some way, the most popular being narration. Narration is constantly talking to your tulpa throughout the day, although you can talk to them within forcing sessions too. You should talk to them as though they were already sentient.
When you start narration is up to you. Some start it when they start the creation process, others when they've done form and personality, or anywhere in between. Whenever you start, you should continue until your tulpa is fluent in talking to you (fluency). The time this takes varies widely, so be patient if it doesn't come quickly.

If you have finished form or personality before your tulpa is fluent, you may want to keep practicing visualising them, or just spend forcing sessions talking to them and being with them. You might want to create a wonderland to do this in.

At some point along the way to speech you might experience something like your tulpa trying to communicate with you using some method other than words, such as an emotional response. That's good, but it's not uncommon for such things to not happen so don't worry if it doesn't.


So now your tulpa is talking to you. If they can't talk very well then continue giving them lots of attention. If they can, give it anyway. Tulpas love attention.

There are lots of things you can do with your new tulpa. Aside from just having one, you can learn to see them via hallucination (imposition), have them learn to control your body (possession), and 'trade places' with them (switching).


Methods vary here, so do your own research beyond this post and find a method that you like the looks of.

An outline of a common process would be practicing open-eye visualisation along with imagining your tulpa being in the real world beside you. The idea is to effectively visualise them all day, as much as possible; in a sense this is similar to narration but with you visualising rather than talking. Keep it consistent, and you will start hallucinating something at some point.

Another method is to get very intimate with your tulpa's form. You feel them up and try to experience them with all of your senses. Given enough contact between you, your experiences of your tulpa will grow more vivid.


The goal of possession is to let go of your body and allow your tulpa to take control of it in your stead. Mindset is key, the idea of possession being to realise that you can stop controlling your body (and doing so); as such, symbolism may help here.

The process itself is up to you. Relaxing all of your muscles and then concentrating on what feels different instead of what feels similar might help. Your aim on the host's side is to simply relax and let go of your body.

For tulpas, it's nothing more complicated than taking control. It might feel new and different, but that just takes a bit of getting used to. As with the host symbolism can help, as can distraction from what is normal.


Switching is very much aided by a firm grip of possession. Not too dissimilar from possession, the idea is for you to let go of the body's senses as well as control. Having done this, you are free to engage imaginary experiences and such.

As may be obvious, this shouldn't be attempted unless your tulpa has a good level of control over the body. Doing so without this would be irresponsible and potentially dangerous to both of you.

Questions and Answers / Read This Before Posting
« on: September 20, 2013, 01:48:56 PM »
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