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General Discussion / Challenging the BodyOS
« on: February 08, 2025, 06:59:25 PM »
Over the years, my tuppering journey led me to the realization that the coherence of personality we generally assume simply does not exist. In other words, 'we' do not exist. There is no such thing as a person or individual and it goes far beyond thought processes. The human body is a miracle, consisting of about 35 trillion (3.5×1013) cells working together. The brain has about 85 billion (8.6×109) neurons. And their interactions create the sensations and thought processes we experience as emergent phenomena. But the body is not an entity. The brain is not an entity. More like a superorganism. And most of what 'we' believe to be doing or even saying are rather unconscious routines.This becomes apparent when something goes wrong.
A relative suffered a stroke and the results were bizarre, straight outta a horror movie. He was completely lucid and could move almost normally but was partly unable to make the body execute command routines. Or to use tulpamamancy terms, to fully 'switch' into his body. It would do things in its own in a nonsensical way because the feedback that a task like putting on a coat was successful, was not executed. He did not even realize he put on clothes in an absurdly wrong way or had stopped halfway - like a little kid. The brain did adapt and he re-learned most of the tasks which is remarkable for his very advanced age.
But this shows you're not putting on your clothes. Your brain unconsciously executes routine tasks. Most of what you're doing are routine tasks. I even realized this goes for most small talk. The BodyOS does it, not me or Alice. Realizing this is the key to switching. Possession is a good training to live more consciously which should not be underrated. But it is not necessary. The tupper only needs to be able to execute the routine tasks. Not consciously more an arm.
But back to topic, I am asking you what we can do to wrestle back some control from the BodyOS to de-zombify ourselves.
Obviously what is necessary are novel tasks, if possible associated with strong emotions. This leads us to imagistic experiences.
I believe children have much more intense experiences because they are 'themselves'. They don't yet have most task outsourced to unconscious routines and everything is novel. You know I'm not fond of doing reckless things like climbing on bridges but once in a while it's necessary.
Which leads us to the 2nd part - getting the BodyOS to stop doing dumb things. This is hard and causes Alice a lot of trouble. She only partly succeeded and gave up on a lot of things but only temporarily. The problem is that the BodyOS works on deeply ingrained routines and breaking or overwriting them is extremely hard unless you suffer significant brain damage.
A funny example - when I was a child, I was terribly afraid of heights. It was not an irrational fear per se, I was afraid of falling down and killing myself. But it became absurd. I managed to get a more realistic view on what's dangerous and what's not fairly soon as a child, but the eerie feeling associated with heights remained at a level that impaired the body's work. Alice made me do some crazy things when she was young and also for work I had to climb some absurdly high radio towers a few time. It was safe, I was not afraid at all, but the body was still shaking. Alice could never shut this off.
I know the solution would simply to do this over and over again. Gotta go rock climbing or something.
Bottom line, the BodyOS is stubborn, lazy and it's extremely tough to change its habits.
We haven't yet found a good way to deal with it.
A relative suffered a stroke and the results were bizarre, straight outta a horror movie. He was completely lucid and could move almost normally but was partly unable to make the body execute command routines. Or to use tulpamamancy terms, to fully 'switch' into his body. It would do things in its own in a nonsensical way because the feedback that a task like putting on a coat was successful, was not executed. He did not even realize he put on clothes in an absurdly wrong way or had stopped halfway - like a little kid. The brain did adapt and he re-learned most of the tasks which is remarkable for his very advanced age.
But this shows you're not putting on your clothes. Your brain unconsciously executes routine tasks. Most of what you're doing are routine tasks. I even realized this goes for most small talk. The BodyOS does it, not me or Alice. Realizing this is the key to switching. Possession is a good training to live more consciously which should not be underrated. But it is not necessary. The tupper only needs to be able to execute the routine tasks. Not consciously more an arm.
But back to topic, I am asking you what we can do to wrestle back some control from the BodyOS to de-zombify ourselves.
Obviously what is necessary are novel tasks, if possible associated with strong emotions. This leads us to imagistic experiences.
I believe children have much more intense experiences because they are 'themselves'. They don't yet have most task outsourced to unconscious routines and everything is novel. You know I'm not fond of doing reckless things like climbing on bridges but once in a while it's necessary.
Which leads us to the 2nd part - getting the BodyOS to stop doing dumb things. This is hard and causes Alice a lot of trouble. She only partly succeeded and gave up on a lot of things but only temporarily. The problem is that the BodyOS works on deeply ingrained routines and breaking or overwriting them is extremely hard unless you suffer significant brain damage.
A funny example - when I was a child, I was terribly afraid of heights. It was not an irrational fear per se, I was afraid of falling down and killing myself. But it became absurd. I managed to get a more realistic view on what's dangerous and what's not fairly soon as a child, but the eerie feeling associated with heights remained at a level that impaired the body's work. Alice made me do some crazy things when she was young and also for work I had to climb some absurdly high radio towers a few time. It was safe, I was not afraid at all, but the body was still shaking. Alice could never shut this off.
I know the solution would simply to do this over and over again. Gotta go rock climbing or something.
Bottom line, the BodyOS is stubborn, lazy and it's extremely tough to change its habits.
We haven't yet found a good way to deal with it.
