One day, there was a shitty forum, then it became shittier, then we left, now we're here, on our smaller and marginally less shitty forum. Where everyone rolls in shit all day but is at least happier for it.

I'm afraid your claims are [citation needed] material. I guess it depends what community you are looking at and which people, but I would say that most of those I have seen think that tuppers are very independant and separate from themselves - maybe even more than they really are. Similarly I'm not sure how much symbolism gets used by many forcers when aiming for vocality, seeing how people tend to do that by narration more or less and many other steps like personality can be skipped. I don't see how you would add symbolism to talking to a tupper.

Whether these beliefs are correct or not, I wouldn't know. But many still seem to think this is right and will get angry if you suggest anything less.

When you have no proof if something is or isn't sapient and conscious but it acts that way, do you want to take the risk and do some potentially unethical SCIENCE? Ps. you need more tubes.