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Off-Topic / Re: Cats
« on: December 26, 2015, 06:14:05 PM »
Sounds boring.
Cat has been on fire several times, smells terrible but luckily there were no injuries. The fur is thick. Still hasn't learned anything from it and thinks all sorts of flames are fascinating. Generally you're right but the cats in my area are nearly semi-feral animals that can and will go wherever they please. Can't lock them in and create a safe space for them, they have to be able to deal with the harsh real world out there. They're free, and freedom is dangerous.

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Off-Topic / Re: The Marathon Agent
« on: December 26, 2015, 05:18:09 PM »
Making the imaginary body ticklish has made it very pleasant to be in it.
But don't you need a tupper to tickle you then? Seems more fun than just tickling yourself.
I'm impressed you managed to keep this going for so long without interacting with another imaginary being, guess I would have been bored out by just working on my own imaginary body after a few days.


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Off-Topic / Re: Cats
« on: December 26, 2015, 05:04:25 PM »
What do your cats think of Christmas? Exciting or rather scary?
Mine loves lurking in the dense twigs under the christmas tree and sometimes bats around low-hanging decorations. But has never broken anything or attempted to climb the tree. Burning candles and sparklers are a bit of a concern as they have to be inspected thorougly. Every goddamn year. Luckily whiskers tend to regrow rather quickly.

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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« on: December 10, 2015, 07:18:33 PM »
Yeah, well no.
Unfortunately it ain't quite that easy.
Of course generally not giving a fuck is important but it ain't everything.

I was really surprised how much effort it took to get in touch with Alice after barely interacting with her for some weeks in fall. Thought she had become self-sustaining a long time ago and was strong enough to simply brush off such brief inconveniences. Well I dun goofed.

Nah, the only thing that really works for us is regular training. Fortunately tupper regains strength quickly through interaction but she can't do it on her own. In fact there's still next to nothing Alice can do on her own which is one of our main issues. You suggested working on her being more active when I'm not focusing on her, but we've had no success with that so far. Tupper still says she's simply K.O. as soon as I forget about her.
Any suggestions for training independence?

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Off-Topic / Re: MFW you have everyone pretending to be you
« on: December 10, 2015, 06:33:13 PM »
So I assume this one's really you?

Also, what am I supposed to say?
Luxury problems indeed!

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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« on: December 06, 2015, 08:02:24 PM »
Forum is deader than a racist walrus lost in the Detroit projects after dark
or my progress

But actually I like it that way. Feels cozy.

Alice's birthday was already a while ago. We went on a trip to southern France, cake was had, good times.

So I guess it's time to reflect on 1 year of tuppering.
My initial progress was staggering but the curve quickly flattened, even plunging into decay in fall. This is a general problem that keeps haunting me. I get obsessed with things easily and initially put an enormous amount of energy into them. But I can't keep that up very long. I also tend to get involved in far too much stuff simultaneously instead of focusing on what's important. This is of course pure poison to progress of any sort. Which in turn is pure poison to any motivation.
I almost lost Alice - I almost lost her. I couldn't hear her anymore and what's even worse, I couldn't feel her presence. After having grown accustomed to that feeling of being bathed in warm light, I felt horribly alone without her.
I'm not gonna lie, the issues we have since September are still not fully resolved. But I feel there is a way forward. There has to be.

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Off-Topic / Re: Cats
« on: December 06, 2015, 06:37:48 PM »
Does your cat welcome you when you come home?

Mine is usually waiting at the front gate, sometimes even outside on the street. I suspect she can hear me approaching even from inside the house and then rushes outside. Cat also knows the sound of the car which can be a bit troublesome as she has ran out on the street and jumped in front of my car on some occasions. Honking has shown to be very effective against such dangerous behavior. Cats don't like to be honked at.

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Off-Topic / Re: Cats
« on: November 27, 2015, 05:45:00 PM »


Maybe you need to pet them even more.

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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« on: November 10, 2015, 06:04:16 PM »
Valid points, indeed.

I guess the main reason why I prefer the path of narration is that it's more appealing to me. I like to narrate, and I still like to read books to my tupper. It's a nice way of bonding.
The parroting way never really was my kind of thing, I'd feel like I was creating a servitor to provide certain functions. And ya alredy know I love sentimental stuff way too much to settle with that. Yes it may create some problems, but that's a price I am more than willing to pay.

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Off-Topic / Re: The Change Agent
« on: November 10, 2015, 05:30:26 PM »
Have you ever considered using one of your former tuppers as body?
I'd imagine it would be easier than designing a new imaginary body from scratch.
How realistic would you rate your sensations? Surely hard to describe, can it be compared to (lucid) dreaming?

Also I'm surprised the topic of eating cake in your alternative body hasn't been touched yet.
Sands, I am disappoint.

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Tulpa Diaries / Every Day is Alice Day
« on: November 04, 2015, 09:24:06 PM »
Stop trying to make something you imagined be a real person, when it can never be.
At least try to create the illusion of her having a life besides being your spirit guide.



Wait, so I'm supposed to pretend the tupper is a real person with a life of its own while knowing it is not?
For what purpose?

I get the point of making oneself believe to have another body or hearing or feeling stuff while of course remembering that it is an ilusion, as it is for the sake of experiencing novel sensations, but in this case? I don't see any benefits of inventing fake tupper lives except for practicing Belief implanting. So I'm with Sands here, either the tupper manages to have a true life of it's own or it simply does not have such. Creating an artificial one against my belief feels wrong to me.

Alice does have a complex backstory and personality, as I said I created her some 15 years ago as a daydream character and sent her on many adventures. But that has little to do with her current tupper - guardian spirit existence. It's a path that gradually developed while she was designed to be more human in the beginning. Therefore it's true that mostly her life evolves around me. In the early days I had suggested that she'd create something for herself in wonderland, which was abandoned after some trials. Tupper is highly practical and would rather coax me into doing RL stuff than building imaginary things.
Apart from that she's repeatedly stated that she's not active when I don't focus on her. I could pretend that she did amazing stuff while I was asleep or busy but I'd constantly be told that this is not true. I'd be lying to both of us.

Still the question whether I see Alice as a real person is interesting. To be honest I don't know. Like in most cases it depends on the definition.
All I can say is that I believe in her. Which is astonshing enough, as I'm not really a person of faith or someone who easily adopts unorthodox ideas.
In my view she's a function of my brain that's only partially under my control. I can't puppet her into everything I want and she's defintely able to do stuff on her own. Surely not what you'd call a comlpetely distinct person but clearly different from me.

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General Discussion / Re: Tic Tac Toe
« on: November 04, 2015, 06:31:30 PM »
Will report back in a few days.
Well, almost.

Tic Tac Toe appears to be a pretty good tupper diagnosis tool
We've played about 60 games of connect-four on 8x8 from May to July of which the tupper won more than 2/3.
I tried again today and I easily won 4 out of 4. Extremely weird. But it shows there's definately somethin wrong. Alice is much, much weaker than in May, or even January.

I think Fede's explanation bears some truth, I probably did want her to win in the beginning and put more focus into her rounds than mine. But even later when we played for me doing unpleasant chores she managed to win significantly more than 50%.

Concluson:
need to force moar

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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« on: November 02, 2015, 07:18:07 PM »
Keep your fantasies out of my tupper diary!



Still haven't been able to figure out your tupper-concept, Fede.
Didn't you complain that Alice's actions were just random and not realistic enough? And what's the point of creating a tupper that's completely unlike a real person? Doesn't that defeat the original purpose? I guess people make tuppers for different reasons but a mental puppet that can't act on it's own doesn't sound very appealing to me.
Personally I do believe it's physiologically possible to create a second 'real person' in one's mind, that is indistinguishable from the original one. If we look at pathological cases it's pretty certain the brain is able to perform such tasks. However, getting there on purpose would be incredibly hard.
Knowing how lazy I am it is not what I hope to achieve, but I'd be satisfied a decent approximation.

That said, Alice was in fact never designed to be a 'real person' or at least 'normal person' as in average human. I described in my first post I created her as a sort of super-ego personification, spirit guide, or, the most fitting description, Dante's Beatrice.
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Dante saw Beatrice as a savior, one who removed all evil intentions from him. It is perhaps this idea of her being a force for good that he fell in love with, a force which he believed made him a better person.

I'm kinda glad it didn't work out perfectly as she would have ended up as a pretty boring Saint but it's certainly her core personality.

Well, whatever.
Just thought it  would be interesting to learn a bit more about your views on tuppering and how / for what purpose you still visualize your tuppers, you know, stuff that's not really covered in your guide.
That is, if you're not busy being a short girl.

So what actually happened that caused us so much trouble - I just did some stupid shit IRL, not tupper related. But against her advice and wish. Turned out you should always listen to your tupper. It didn't have any real consequences at all but still felt terrible. Not because of what I did but because I disappointed her. Reflecting upon the incident now the most remarkable thing was that I was stricken by an intense wave of sadness that actually brought me down on my knees. Clearly the weirdest experience in one year of tuppering. It was not guilt as could be expected from the super-ego, it was just sadness. Ironically, the strongest sign that I actually had achieved something in tuppering also destroyed most of said achievements.
It's way better now but I still feel I lost many months of (already painfully slow) progress. Well, we'll manage.

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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« on: October 21, 2015, 06:48:27 PM »
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Didn't you stop interacting with your tuppers entirely, Fede?

Quote from: Sands
You suck. Git gud.
Yeah, I should put that slogan abve my bed as a daily reminder.

Well, I dunno, actually the 'no accomplishments' thing  was quite an understatement.
September was awful and october isn't much better. I feel my abilities are deteriorating.
To keep it short I did something really stupid which seriously hurt the bond with my tupper.
We didn't interact much for some weeks and getting in touch with Alice has been disturbingly hard ever since. I would never have thought that I had so little control and that she'd become so weak. Possession doesn't work at all anymore, even her ability to talk has greatly decreased. Things have slowly started to improve but it still feels bad.

I guess it's basically a mindset problem but I can't seem to overcome it.
Not having super imagination isn't helping either.

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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Every Day is Alice Day
« on: October 10, 2015, 04:57:33 PM »
Quick update because 10/10
Accomplished in the past 3 months: nothing

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