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Off-Topic / Re: Introductions
« on: September 25, 2013, 09:22:52 AM »
Tulpaeis is the only true plural. Or tupperware.
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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Imposing fuzzballs
« on: September 25, 2013, 09:21:17 AM »
Finally someone working on imposition. Maybe we'll go there one day. I know, >implying I will stop being lazy. Hope you do keep us updated because progress reports are what will help people a ton when written well - and they'll help you too, if you ever want to write a guide or something and want to refresh your memory.
I found smell surprisingly easy, but I rarely smell the air around me, so it doesn't really stay for that long and then you gotta refresh that scent memory.
Gotta ask, you ever noticed weird things happening after you have been working on imposition this long? I did some of it ages ago and I dunno, have had some actual hallucinations I thought were real until I took a second look. Luckily nothing too crazy, but something that seemed plausible for a while. Not sure if I'd call it something dangerous yet, but I think this tupperforcing process and especially imposition just do something to you. All tupper communities always have the NOTHING COULD EVER GO WRONG AND NOTHING BAD WILL HAPPEN stance on forcing and imposition, so I'm sorta asking around and seeing if people have noticed something strange. Not necessarily dangerous, again, but just something strange.
Also, possession can be a lifesaver when you're sick or in pain. It's much easier to handle everything when you can sorta take a time out.
I found smell surprisingly easy, but I rarely smell the air around me, so it doesn't really stay for that long and then you gotta refresh that scent memory.
Gotta ask, you ever noticed weird things happening after you have been working on imposition this long? I did some of it ages ago and I dunno, have had some actual hallucinations I thought were real until I took a second look. Luckily nothing too crazy, but something that seemed plausible for a while. Not sure if I'd call it something dangerous yet, but I think this tupperforcing process and especially imposition just do something to you. All tupper communities always have the NOTHING COULD EVER GO WRONG AND NOTHING BAD WILL HAPPEN stance on forcing and imposition, so I'm sorta asking around and seeing if people have noticed something strange. Not necessarily dangerous, again, but just something strange.
Also, possession can be a lifesaver when you're sick or in pain. It's much easier to handle everything when you can sorta take a time out.
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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Lea and her no-longer-that-noobish host
« on: September 24, 2013, 01:53:54 PM »
They're Wiccan terms, so you're going to bump into magick when you go look for more information. There's plenty of tulpa-like aound though, people just obviously have their own reasonings as to what they are.
Visualization isn't necessary of course and some people probably work better with something other than their sight, but I do find it very useful, especially early on when you're in that pre-vocal stage. For many other communities based around tupper-likes, imposition is super important too because it's a hallucination which makes them think it's real and magical and such. But thought control - assuming you mean the same I do - I really think you should be at least trying to get good at. I think that's what I have always been telling people to do and we did even remind people in the FAQ on this site that everything weird that happens in your head is your imagination and under your control.
I wouldn't say you have to master these things when starting tulpaforcing, though of course better skills help. But you can practice while you force, so it's two birds with one stone. Only if you find your skills completely lacking would I ever tell you to just work on bettering the skills without involving forcing to it as well, but normally, I think you get all the practice you need as you force.
Visualization isn't necessary of course and some people probably work better with something other than their sight, but I do find it very useful, especially early on when you're in that pre-vocal stage. For many other communities based around tupper-likes, imposition is super important too because it's a hallucination which makes them think it's real and magical and such. But thought control - assuming you mean the same I do - I really think you should be at least trying to get good at. I think that's what I have always been telling people to do and we did even remind people in the FAQ on this site that everything weird that happens in your head is your imagination and under your control.
I wouldn't say you have to master these things when starting tulpaforcing, though of course better skills help. But you can practice while you force, so it's two birds with one stone. Only if you find your skills completely lacking would I ever tell you to just work on bettering the skills without involving forcing to it as well, but normally, I think you get all the practice you need as you force.
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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Lea and her no-longer-that-noobish host
« on: September 23, 2013, 12:07:00 PM »
Well, in the end, it's pretty personal as to what's useful and not. But I don't see it hurting and it could help a lot.
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General Discussion / Re: Tic Tac Toe
« on: September 23, 2013, 11:12:06 AM »
I told you waffles.
Anyways, why it is so difficult is because they know what your move will be and basically flaunt what their move is going to be after that. So you start overthinking and doubting your own move in the first place so you can play right into their devious little tupper trap. But I found out you can use that too and then he played into my traps and it felt better than anything. Playing Tic Tac Toe on your own and losing/feeling good when you win. Not sure what to think of that.
5 draws, 5 for him, 6 for me, tiebreaker game. I think I found an almost consistent way to beat him in the end, but I think I'll forget it soon enough and then I'm back to square one. Or he learns and comes up with a better plan. Making your opponent overthink is the key. I don't even know how chess would be when Tic Tac Toe already manages to get super complicated like this. I don't know chess though so I can't be the one testing.
One of the games he basically let me win though, so not sure how good of a win I can call my "win". Changed his better move to a worse one. Why.
Anyways, why it is so difficult is because they know what your move will be and basically flaunt what their move is going to be after that. So you start overthinking and doubting your own move in the first place so you can play right into their devious little tupper trap. But I found out you can use that too and then he played into my traps and it felt better than anything. Playing Tic Tac Toe on your own and losing/feeling good when you win. Not sure what to think of that.
5 draws, 5 for him, 6 for me, tiebreaker game. I think I found an almost consistent way to beat him in the end, but I think I'll forget it soon enough and then I'm back to square one. Or he learns and comes up with a better plan. Making your opponent overthink is the key. I don't even know how chess would be when Tic Tac Toe already manages to get super complicated like this. I don't know chess though so I can't be the one testing.
One of the games he basically let me win though, so not sure how good of a win I can call my "win". Changed his better move to a worse one. Why.
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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Lea and her no-longer-that-noobish host
« on: September 23, 2013, 10:05:22 AM »
I don't think it's exactly needed to post that information, Dreamer. Not to mention it's kind of iffy to post using someone else's account when they aren't even able to write themselves yet. I'm not against making an account for a non-vocal tupper though in my mind it would be much more polite to ask them if they even want one in the first place before making one, but posting and telling about it just seems unnecessary, you know?
Might want to not use her account. She's welcome to speak here when she's ready to do so.
Visualization is a good skill to have and practice. There's so much information you can get out of a non-vocal tupper by just looking at them. Little things count and there's so many communication methods you can use besides words. Using those non-verbal communication systems can be critical when it comes to getting vocal. In our case, it was definitely myself who had to learn to listen and if we didn't have other ways of communicating I trusted, I'm not sure if I would've bought the early words I got out of him.
Might want to not use her account. She's welcome to speak here when she's ready to do so.
Visualization is a good skill to have and practice. There's so much information you can get out of a non-vocal tupper by just looking at them. Little things count and there's so many communication methods you can use besides words. Using those non-verbal communication systems can be critical when it comes to getting vocal. In our case, it was definitely myself who had to learn to listen and if we didn't have other ways of communicating I trusted, I'm not sure if I would've bought the early words I got out of him.
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General Discussion / Re: Host Age
« on: September 23, 2013, 09:58:51 AM »
Finally got back to answering.
Wasn't really saying you didn't get what I wrote, just was unsure because I didn't quite get yours.
Anyways, time for words and better explanations on my side. Maturity is a difficult word because some have a completely different definition of it. In my version of maturity, the ability to deal with problems and responsibilities is a part of it. Some might say it's not, so I felt a need to add it in because I think it is very important.
A mature person can act immaturely, but then they - forgive the emphasis but I feel it's needed here - aren't immature. Acting and being are two different things. As long as there's something behind that mask of immaturity that is mature enough to handle situations, it is great stuff. Maturity is not necessary to get far when making tuppers, but it is necessary to have it if you wish to live a happy life with a tupper. Perhaps you can gain it, perhaps not. If you can't, that would hinder you.
When it came to maturity, it wasn't the tulpa's own maturity or personality that was talked about in my post at least. Often a tupper can become much more mature than their host if the host is immature. Sometimes not and if you couple two immature people together, well, bad shit happens. It is awful to watch, at least.
I did have those good examples of young tuppers and hosts. The relationships can be very beautiful and helpful to both when it comes to growing as people. Again, not against young hosts here. It's the immaturity part which in my mind would lack the ability to deal with problems and responsibilities. A host without such skill wouldn't be a very good one.
If a person thinks they are immature and should and can change, they are already more mature than many people. Those are the ones who would really gain maturity from making a tulpa, I bet. It's the ones refusing to change or even see something is wrong with them that are a problem. And I would not want to see a mature and intelligent tupper have to deal with an immature little shit host, who can't even deal with simple things in life. Could the tulpa teach them? Who knows. But I wouldn't want my purpose to be to teach them that, so first the host should change to accept their own shortcomings. That's when they already are maturing and the road to making tulpas is open.
Quote>it's about one's maturity and ability to deal with problems and responsibilities
If that's what you meant as well, then sure. If I'm reading you right, you didn't. I'm never too sure if you get me or if I'm getting you so would be nice if you could explain a bit better.
Yes. I feel like I get you, but then you say I don't get it, because I say something that sounds off. I'll explain better.
Better explanation: People with a high ability to deal with problems and responsibilities but act immaturely. Can they get as far as some one with high ability to deal with problems and responsibilities and maturity? Why is maturity important in the process of getting far? The way you talk about maturity makes it seem like you mean it's separate from ability to deal with problems and responsibilities, and I think that was the confusing part.
I hope you don't mind the bold words too much but I get the feeling what I'm saying will make more sense if I didn't try to shorten it.
Wasn't really saying you didn't get what I wrote, just was unsure because I didn't quite get yours.
Anyways, time for words and better explanations on my side. Maturity is a difficult word because some have a completely different definition of it. In my version of maturity, the ability to deal with problems and responsibilities is a part of it. Some might say it's not, so I felt a need to add it in because I think it is very important.
A mature person can act immaturely, but then they - forgive the emphasis but I feel it's needed here - aren't immature. Acting and being are two different things. As long as there's something behind that mask of immaturity that is mature enough to handle situations, it is great stuff. Maturity is not necessary to get far when making tuppers, but it is necessary to have it if you wish to live a happy life with a tupper. Perhaps you can gain it, perhaps not. If you can't, that would hinder you.
If I could add to this, the age and maturity of the host really doesn't matter. I've met plenty of younger hosts with tulpas far more mature than they are. Young tulpamakers and tulpas will get to spend a lot more time together, too, and live together longer. It's nice.
So maybe you should try to take that and this into account. The host and tulpa can be completely different. Even if the host and tulpa aren't necessarily more mature than one another doesn't mean they can present themselves as such.
When it came to maturity, it wasn't the tulpa's own maturity or personality that was talked about in my post at least. Often a tupper can become much more mature than their host if the host is immature. Sometimes not and if you couple two immature people together, well, bad shit happens. It is awful to watch, at least.
I did have those good examples of young tuppers and hosts. The relationships can be very beautiful and helpful to both when it comes to growing as people. Again, not against young hosts here. It's the immaturity part which in my mind would lack the ability to deal with problems and responsibilities. A host without such skill wouldn't be a very good one.
If a person thinks they are immature and should and can change, they are already more mature than many people. Those are the ones who would really gain maturity from making a tulpa, I bet. It's the ones refusing to change or even see something is wrong with them that are a problem. And I would not want to see a mature and intelligent tupper have to deal with an immature little shit host, who can't even deal with simple things in life. Could the tulpa teach them? Who knows. But I wouldn't want my purpose to be to teach them that, so first the host should change to accept their own shortcomings. That's when they already are maturing and the road to making tulpas is open.
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General Discussion / Re: [Possession] [Switching] Semi-Guide for Possession - Tips and Tricks Compendium
« on: September 23, 2013, 08:01:25 AM »Anyways Sands, how often would you and Roswell work on possession before you were able to switch?
It would be impossible to say how often it was done. I guess I should give some background information, switching was never something I was too interested in. However, we did tons of possession and Roswell has always been very interested in communicating with others/doing whatever he needed physical hands to do, so we have done it a lot. We're talking about months of back and forth control giving, but do keep in mind that switching never was my goal, so someone who is working towards it might very well do it much sooner.
What I did learn during those long hours of him being in control and doing boring things is that you can ignore everything so easily at some point and that switching really just happens like that. It was an accidental slide that of course required a bit of fine tuning and was very strange at first, but it was the missing piece that definitely made me understand what this all is about.
That's why I found it very important to put an emphasis on the slide from possession to switching in the picture. Because there is one and you can easily reach it by just learning to get to a uh, high enough level during possession. The level with barely feeling physical senses.
Anyways, glad that this has been an interesting read to some. That's why I share these things, even if they're not what I wanted to find out or do. But I still somehow found about them and I think sharing my limited knowledge is important. So you don't have to stumble in the dark like many of us did.
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General Discussion / Re: Host Age
« on: September 22, 2013, 04:51:43 PM »
Immature hosts won't get far, while mature ones definitely will. That's what my short answer to this is. It's not about the age, it's about one's maturity and ability to deal with problems and responsibilities. It's almost like getting a pet. Some kids do it wonderfully, others leave their pets to starve. Adults are the same.
You mean, anyone with a good tulpa-host relationship and never gives up can be considered mature? If I am understanding that right, then a lot of the people that act immature are in a way mature. Even if they act obnoxious and dumb, and don't take things seriously. They are mature, despite how they behave on the internet.
>it's about one's maturity and ability to deal with problems and responsibilities
If that's what you meant as well, then sure. If I'm reading you right, you didn't. I'm never too sure if you get me or if I'm getting you so would be nice if you could explain a bit better.
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Tulpa Diaries / Re: Lea and her no-longer-that-noobish host
« on: September 21, 2013, 08:25:27 PM »
Force harder, report results.
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General Discussion / [Possession] [Switching] Semi-Guide for Possession - Tips and Tricks Compendium
« on: September 21, 2013, 07:31:10 PM »
I wrote this little thing a while back and because I don't think it's quite a guide as I don't tell you how to do anything, I'll post it in general discussion instead. It's just some of my thoughts about possession and switching as well as some tips and tricks. Not entirely sure if I got something else to add, but it's pretty late right now and implying I put effort in stuff. Because this is posted in this section of the forums, how about others share their tips or problems about possession and switching here as well. Anything goes, really. Tell us what you have learned, what made it happen to you and what you think about it.
Possession
There are countless of methods people do to achieve it, but in the end, what matters is that you achieve the following: the host lets go of the physical body's control and the tulpa takes it instead. Ultimately, there is no one way that works for absolutely everyone, as our minds and mindsets are different. Symbolism can be a great help in getting started, as it can put you in the correct mindset right away if it's one that works for you well. It is all about your mind.
For hosts, letting go can often seem difficult or almost impossible. It might help to not see the body as "you", but instead as of some kind of vessel you just happen to control at the time and you can let go of that control, just like how your tulpa is there in your head but not controlling the body right now. Any way of making yourself realize you can sever the connection to the physical body and then doing it means you are on the right path. It's not honestly any more complicated than that, but it requires the right way of thinking and enough willpower to make it a reality. The actual method is up to you, do what you think feels the best. Relaxing all of your muscles and then concentrating on what feels different instead of what feels similar might help your confidence. Remember to talk with your tulpa as you are learning to let go, in case they might have something to say about it
For tulpas, it's nothing more complicated than just taking control. The physical body might feel different to what you've used to, but it just takes some practice to get used to it. Sometimes it can be tricky to get in control, but if the host is not in the way and has let go well enough, the body is just there for you to take it. The physical body shall become your body, so ignoring your imaginary body and its senses might help you get in control. Majority of tulpas already have forms, so you might be able to use that to aid you in getting to the correct mindset. Symbolism still can be a good tool, if that works well for you. Sharing the senses of your host as they are in control of the body normally might help you getting used to the physical body's feelings and make it feel more like something that also belongs to you, something you can move as well, just like your host does every day. Keep at it, even if the body feels unresponsive and heavy. Talk with your host as they can provide feedback and see if you can make use of muscle memory.
Practice, willpower and determination. That's all you need.
Switching
Mastering possession plays a key role in finding a nice and simple way of getting a switch going. While some tulpas say they can control and feel the body better while switched, in the end, if the tulpa has become very good at full-body possession and the host is very good at letting go even if they are still observing, there probably isn't going to be any change for the tulpa. The tulpa doesn't need to do anything else here to aid in switching, either, unless they have a great idea that will help the host. Switching is a skill the host has to learn, but once they've gotten comfortable enough with not being the one controlling the body, it's not as big of a step as some might think. Letting go of body control in the first place required them to find a way to "disconnect" themselves from the physical body already, now they just need to find a way to "disconnect" themselves from all of the body's physical senses. Some dulling of those senses most likely already has happened as the host and tulpa have practiced switching, so it's just a matter of ignoring the physical senses completely and taking on imaginary ones. It again is all in your mind and all it takes is willpower.
Don't rush it and get someone hurt. You, the host, want to make sure the tulpa can use the body well before even thinking about switching. Anything less is going to be pretty irresponsible.
Nothing else really, thoughts, comments, something. Give me your best stuff.
edit: help i accidentally words also the image host decided to go down so pic was reuploaded
Possession
There are countless of methods people do to achieve it, but in the end, what matters is that you achieve the following: the host lets go of the physical body's control and the tulpa takes it instead. Ultimately, there is no one way that works for absolutely everyone, as our minds and mindsets are different. Symbolism can be a great help in getting started, as it can put you in the correct mindset right away if it's one that works for you well. It is all about your mind.
For hosts, letting go can often seem difficult or almost impossible. It might help to not see the body as "you", but instead as of some kind of vessel you just happen to control at the time and you can let go of that control, just like how your tulpa is there in your head but not controlling the body right now. Any way of making yourself realize you can sever the connection to the physical body and then doing it means you are on the right path. It's not honestly any more complicated than that, but it requires the right way of thinking and enough willpower to make it a reality. The actual method is up to you, do what you think feels the best. Relaxing all of your muscles and then concentrating on what feels different instead of what feels similar might help your confidence. Remember to talk with your tulpa as you are learning to let go, in case they might have something to say about it
For tulpas, it's nothing more complicated than just taking control. The physical body might feel different to what you've used to, but it just takes some practice to get used to it. Sometimes it can be tricky to get in control, but if the host is not in the way and has let go well enough, the body is just there for you to take it. The physical body shall become your body, so ignoring your imaginary body and its senses might help you get in control. Majority of tulpas already have forms, so you might be able to use that to aid you in getting to the correct mindset. Symbolism still can be a good tool, if that works well for you. Sharing the senses of your host as they are in control of the body normally might help you getting used to the physical body's feelings and make it feel more like something that also belongs to you, something you can move as well, just like your host does every day. Keep at it, even if the body feels unresponsive and heavy. Talk with your host as they can provide feedback and see if you can make use of muscle memory.
Practice, willpower and determination. That's all you need.
Switching
Mastering possession plays a key role in finding a nice and simple way of getting a switch going. While some tulpas say they can control and feel the body better while switched, in the end, if the tulpa has become very good at full-body possession and the host is very good at letting go even if they are still observing, there probably isn't going to be any change for the tulpa. The tulpa doesn't need to do anything else here to aid in switching, either, unless they have a great idea that will help the host. Switching is a skill the host has to learn, but once they've gotten comfortable enough with not being the one controlling the body, it's not as big of a step as some might think. Letting go of body control in the first place required them to find a way to "disconnect" themselves from the physical body already, now they just need to find a way to "disconnect" themselves from all of the body's physical senses. Some dulling of those senses most likely already has happened as the host and tulpa have practiced switching, so it's just a matter of ignoring the physical senses completely and taking on imaginary ones. It again is all in your mind and all it takes is willpower.
Don't rush it and get someone hurt. You, the host, want to make sure the tulpa can use the body well before even thinking about switching. Anything less is going to be pretty irresponsible.
Also made this HIGH QUALITY picture of my old MS Paint doodle, maybe it'll show some of my thoughts better in image form.
Nothing else really, thoughts, comments, something. Give me your best stuff.
edit: help i accidentally words also the image host decided to go down so pic was reuploaded
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Off-Topic / Re: Introductions
« on: September 21, 2013, 05:11:13 PM »Can I get off the ride now?
Can I get off the ride now?
The ride never ends.
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Deleted Posts / Re: Re: Kiahdaj's Absolute Guide to Tulpas
« on: September 21, 2013, 06:43:55 AM »
I love you too.
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Guides / Re: Kiahdaj's Absolute Guide to Tulpas
« on: September 20, 2013, 08:51:20 PM »Now, without further adieu, let us begin.
Psst, it's ado, not adieu. Yes, I had to reply just to say that.
Anyways, great to see your guide on this site as well.