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Deleted Posts / Re: This makes twins
« on: February 02, 2015, 08:52:03 AM »
wow

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Off-Topic / Re: Yeppers
« on: September 21, 2014, 05:55:56 AM »
* Fede makes a face of amusement in reply to the yogi's discontented yells. http://i.imgur.com/CiI69fr.jpg

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Off-Topic / Re: Yeps
« on: September 21, 2014, 05:37:08 AM »
I got something else that wags and is cute...

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Deleted Posts / Re: yep
« on: September 15, 2014, 01:51:50 AM »
Well, since it can be used with pretty much any tupper creation method, you could try the belief implanting technique... but that would probably require too much effort.

Actually, forget I said anything.

Whatever.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This makes penis
« on: August 10, 2014, 02:09:07 PM »
Farewell, and do get better.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This penis two
« on: August 06, 2014, 04:07:55 PM »
None of us know what we're talking about. The existence of tuppers is open to interpretation.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This penises two
« on: August 05, 2014, 01:15:59 PM »
Way to go, Daker. You scared him off.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This makes thirteen billion
« on: July 28, 2014, 05:16:02 PM »
And seriously, if you start being all "but that's too many questions/too much reading/too haaaaaaard" then come on. Push yourself a little, you'll never develop any skills if you never push yourself out of your comfort zones. You don't have to use it at all, but don't let "too haaaaard" be the reason.

This.

And as an afterthought, would it be better to speak to parroted Tupper even before I fully understand the traits? In between sessions and all that, or would I probably wanna have a better grasp on how she would act..?

I'd rather you get to know the personality first. But most of all, if you're going to follow through with my method, you need to break away from that "Hey, I'm gonna say something to you, I hope you can hear me, bla bla bla..." stuff. Not that I think that's what you're really saying and it's probably very different from the typical narration you've always done. Either way, do not talk to the tupper as if they can't hear you or is some "mysterious entity" far away off in mindland. Get rid of the narration mindset you've had with you for the past I don't know how many months. With my method that I've extensively described in those earlier posts, you're doing either of the following:
  • Imagining the tupper in some situation with a specific emotion being dominant, optionally while narrating about what the tupper is doing, why they're doing it, and so on. You're not narrating about yourself like you've always done. That is not what this is.
  • Directly interacting with the tupper through conversation, in which case you'd make up lines for them and have them actually think about stuff instead of just creating immediate, generic yes/no/I guess/maybe responses.
If you're going to "talk to her between sessions", it should be actual conversation between the two of you. But, since you're at a way too early point to have an effective grasp of her personality to be able to say "Man, she would so do that." or "That's so her." (I'm assuming it's a female), then stick to the trait emotion scene imagining exercise for now, since you apparently need very specific instructions and don't seem to experiment very much or find out stuff yourself by trying many new things. Experimentation is one of the most important things in the tupper business, you know, but I guess a thousand posts later from Colonel and me aren't enough to make you understand that.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This steaks two
« on: July 28, 2014, 03:02:36 AM »
And I assume your trait thing is for Fede, so I'll let him respond to that as you're waiting for ~~his method~~ and shit here. I'm going to assume that you're already overthinking it and believe that it's harder than it really is, so that you're already putting yourself down and making everything needlessly hard. But what do I know, it's Fede method time.

You know it. I'm thinking it's more due to me typing up tl;dr posts to Enny about my method so I'm sure he understands what I mean completely, even though it's kinda failing on that front, partially due to the length of the posts and partially due to Enny himself. But here I am, still trying.

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So if someone knows how to make this something I'd feel better doing over reading, or sleeping, or vidya games, do tell.

Considering how all of those are you enjoying someone else creating things for you (dreaming rarely is conscious unless you're lucid dreaming, after all) without you having to spend any effort, I guess it might be clear what you enjoy doing and that's not actually doing any work for your entertainment. Creating a tupper is going to have to involve you doing something creative yourself though, sorry.

This is very true.

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How exactly you use the traits is up to yourself, and I was hoping you'd be a little imaginative and experimental in that area. Moreover, you didn't type a single sentence for any of the traits. You just jotted down a bunch of one-word traits, seemingly without any analysis of how they specifically apply to this particular personality. You're not shopping for a tupper. This is not building a computer or pizza online (okay, that was a bad analogy). Although it was optional, I was hoping you'd write at least one sentence. Butt, here goes.

Consider the following: we're different people wherever we go. Sometimes we're only slightly different from what we are in the dark, and sometimes very different from that. It depends on whom we're talking to. Thanks to this, you can go ahead and just choose a group of traits (or even just one trait) and imagine situations where the trait(s) in question would be dominant in the tupper's demeanour. Of course, it's preferable that you keep as many traits as possible in mind, but I know this isn't too easy for you to do, hence why I'm suggesting here that you do them in segments or just one-by-one. Eventually, when you've done this for a while, it becomes easier over time to keep more of them in mind.

Allow me to provide examples. For the laid-back trait, I'd think up some situation where that trait in the tupper would be dominant. I guess one situation where this would be dominant is where the tupper is relaxing with some friends, literally laid-back on some chair, talking casually about some random subject. The subject doesn't have to be anything important. There doesn't even have to be any audio in the scene to begin with. As long as the trait is exhibited and you're taking good note of how the tulip behaves when that trait is dominant, it's fine. No, you're not taking note of some behaviour that happens magically out of thin air without any effort from your side whatsoever. You're taking note of something you're wilfully parroting. Or puppeteering, or whatever.

In another case, perhaps I'd like to combine several traits, as mentioned earlier. I'll just pick humourous and compassionate. So like, I'd just go ahead and imagine the tupper trying to cheer up someone sad with a warmhearted joke. Again, since there doesn't have to be any audio or anything like that involved in the scene, I don't actually have to think up thoughtful lines; I can just focus on the emotion of the combined traits and have it look like the people in the scene are communicating, even though I'd only vaguely know what they'd be talking about. And if emotions are too difficult, then I don't what the fuck to suggest. We're only doing this so we can get to know how the tupper would react and behave in certain situations. Thus, making up thoughtful lines - assuming you'll follow through with Fede's Method� - is something that can wait for later when you're comfortable enough with the personality to make up lines and start parroting for real.

That was just a couple of examples. Surely you have the brains to think up your own instead of always being so "help me guys I can't think of anything at all, my imagination blows, I have no ideas whatsoever, what do I do, please simplify" in your posts.

Also, are you still unable to use Eye-Bo in any way? And did you ever "rediscover" something useful from my guide? Blinking (which the guide mentions) is a fine substitute if you're too embarrassed or something to use Eye-Bo thanks to the frail privacy in your home.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This wakes two
« on: July 27, 2014, 04:16:23 PM »
I'd gladly describe to you how I decided to make fun out of my sessions back in June 2012 when I got tired of not being allowed to make responses for the tupplah. Butt, that fun was based on parroting, which in turn was based on going off on the wildest of tangents and making up oftentimes very cheerful responses for her that fit her personality, and I happened to know her personality well.

You? You barely know how you want Miriam, you can't be arsed to deeply explore how she'd think and thereby put yourself in her shoes, you find meditation and anything that involves sitting down and focusing mind-numbingly boring, and your repeated failed attempts at getting anything productive out of the narrative approach (which I tend to not recommend) have led you to form a rather negative mindset about tuppers in general at this point. If I didn't know any better, you want a fresh Tupla that completely acts on its own and didn't require any forethought served on a silver platter. You come off to me as a person that only has little imagination, especially because you can't visualise very well, so a crap tip like "Just, like, relax and let your imagination go and figure out how it wants to make the tupper on its own." is something I wouldn't want to give to you. But I know someone else who probably would under some circumstances. But enough about him.

A combination of a lack of imagination, dedication, focus, empathy, introspection, and all those other goodies is what has brought you to where you currently are. I'm used to blatantly advertising my method as being the easiest to pick up for those that failed with the narrative method, but in your case, even my suggestions probably aren't worth the trouble when you're at the level of not being able to make up a personality and thoughtful responses for it, or use your imagination for something more sophisticated than thinking "I want an imaginary girlfriend that's chill and fun... and... yeah."

Good game, guys. Had a good run. Was fun, y'all.

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Well, anyway, in case you're still up for it, then you can always go ahead and make one of them extensive character sheets, building up her personality bit-by-bit by picking out a metric shittonne of traits and thereby know a lot more about her. Using those traits, you can then go ahead and use that as fuel for imagining how she would react in certain situations based on her traits, and sort of explore her personality like that, using the method I described in that earlier post; what would she be thinking in the situation, why would she do what she would do? You don't know? Ah, but you have a trait! That should tell you something. Seriously, it's not that hard. It's just like if you're thinking to yourself what you would do in a situation. Except it's not you but someone else, and in a different situation.

Here are some sample personality traits to get you started, shamelessly ripped off from Dane. Optionally, and preferably, you should write some short sentences for as many traits as possible about how the trait in question exactly influences and defines her, and not just "She's chill... yep, that's it."

Energetic, laid back, brave, meek, sarcastic, creative, dull, forgetful, retentive, hardworking, lazy, optimistic, realist, cynical, opportunist, social, introverted, easily amused, often bored, dependable, open minded, sceptical, articulate, simple, strong-willed, confident, friendly, protective, loyal, honest, passionate, resourceful, independent, outgoing, immature, mature, intelligent, comical, logical, consistent, a leader, motivated, not regretful, not gullible, helpful, patient, empathetic, introspective, talkative, thoughtful, mischievous, fierce, hardy, outdoorsy, adaptable, content, reasonable, coordinated, charming, perceptive, observant, trustworthy, quiet, secretive, rebellious, witty, rambunctious, uplifting, faithful, atheist, critical, materialistic, silly, inclusive, agreeable, blunt, sane, accepting, selfless, stoic, meticulous, mean-spirited, snide, handy, motivated.

And if you can't think up situations to imagine her in, just think back on what you've done recently in your life; what would she have done if she were you? Or, perhaps, what would she have done in some of those roleplays? That's at least something if you can't think up anything. There you go. Another tl;dr post.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This drapes two
« on: July 27, 2014, 02:52:29 AM »
Seems like the negative emotions have become such a standard part of the process now, Miriam or not, and thus making it progressively more miserable to work on tupper stuff because you're reminded of your failures. I hope I'm wrong, but eh...

For once, maybe I can agree with Colonel's advice; the whole "do that fun thing again" tip. I just don't know how much it's going to actually help, and I don't like to give false hope, either. Maybe that's just due to my occasionally pessimistic nature.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This makes yep
« on: July 26, 2014, 06:22:52 PM »
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Oh, the "treating them as a stranger" part was just meant as a side comment, separate from the whole "exploring the thoughts of a tupper you want to think in a certain way and essentially defining a personality from that exploration" thing. Some people treat their newly-created tuppers as strangers. Doesn't mean you have to, or necessarily should. My suggestion was simply imagining a character that you vaguely know the personality of, and trying to put yourself in the shoes of that character and wonder how they think like, how that thinking makes them like certain things and dislike others, how their thinking leads them to prioritise this thing over that, and so on. A sort of introspection, except you're observing a character's thought patterns instead of your own.

And bear in mind I'm still talking about a new entity completely separate from Miriam and that other one. Just to make sure you don't misunderstand.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This makes tables
« on: July 26, 2014, 10:09:06 AM »
Well, it's nothing new that some people create tuppers with completely blank slates, so that the host and tupper have to build up trust with each other like two strangers that have some things in common and have strong potential for friendship but are nonetheless strangers. Butt, then again, that's what you "kind of" already did, although not my way with the intricate exploration and definition of the tupper's personality and thoughts. Take it or leave it.

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Deleted Posts / Re: This shakes two
« on: July 25, 2014, 02:59:40 PM »
Do you lack so much empathy that you can't think in an another line of thought than your own? Cause, like, analysing one's thoughts and wondering how other people think like is an ability that forms the foundation of the whole parroting method. And we all know how the classic talk-about-random-shit narration approach has gone for you so far. If you lack the aforementioned, basic ability, then I suppose that yeah, perhaps making a tupper is too ambitious for you, at least my way. No offence or anything; I'm just not a fan of giving people false hope, even if that could potentially placebo them their way to victory, given they're willing enough to change their mindset. But that's just me.

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Deleted Posts / Re: These make two
« on: July 25, 2014, 08:38:21 AM »
From the perspective of an outsider, it seems odd to be so neglectful of the tupper concept when you're so cursed by intermittent bouts of depression. Tuppers are the exact thing you should be doing. I feel like telling you to have a second look at my guide, just for the sake of going by the parroting route rather than the narrative one. Even though parroting in the beginning feels like it's just another personality branched off from yours that has access to the same amount of information as you do, - which it very well does, both in the beginning and the future - then that doesn't stop the potential of making an interesting conversational partner through exploration of character. My guide doesn't delve too deeply into the area of exploring tupper behaviour and opinions, but I've always taken that as being a thing people can handle by themselves over time, with a little helping of common sense and introspection. Perhaps I was wrong in that presumption.

Weird as it sounds, perhaps making yet another tulip wouldn't be such a bad idea - even if I may be calling it a "character" at this stage. Like, you should really sit down and think what someone else would do, what their likes, dislikes, interests, aspirations, quirks, and stuff like that are. A multifaceted personality that allows you to think at great lengths about how the character would react to something, mentally and externally, given factors like their moral values and history. Of course, backstory is not necessary, but is something that can still add depth, since we're shaped by our experiences. Having a character employ a personality just like that without any reason as to why they behave like they do, other than "Well, that's simply how I am and how I've been for... the past two minutes I've existed." can be a bit of a realism killer. Then again, if realism isn't that important, then that makes backstory redundant. Because tuppers are so unrealistic. Might also wanna have a look at this thing, too.

In short: put yourself in someone else's shoes, thinking like them, or maybe describing what they're thinking from a third-person perspective, like "Why are you here? You live with me. It's sunny today. You're currently reading a book. You feel like taking a swim, but it's pretty hot outside. Maybe you'll do it later in the evening, but you're not really sure yet. So you're just kinda doing whatever you fancy for the time being. The book you're reading is about a man exploring the sub-Saharan jungle during the 1880s. The scene descriptions in the book are vivid, which you have a liking for. The protoganist is in his 30s and is hoping to further research in exotic animals. He has apparently had a few quarrels with a local governor, but you're not far enough into the book to know how much that'll influence the story. You like genres that revolve around exploration, and love interests, too. Maybe you'll go to the library one of these days, perhaps down that other aisle you only visit in passing. Oh right, you're reading a story. Here you are, thinking about stuff. If I asked if you wanted to meditate with me, you'd not really feel like it and politely decline, saying 'We can do it later once I'm done with this chapter. I have plans later this evening, anyway.' However, I respect your wants and I feel like just watching you indulge in your interests today, so I won't ask that. It's nice that we know each other so well. You obviously have things you've not openly said as well out of consideration, such as asking me to stop staring at you so much, but you know it's so that I may understand and visualise you in greater detail, which is for the better for both of us."

I dunno, just trying to make some sort of example here. Perhaps you could consider it a combination of narration and parroting, switching between describing the tulip and interacting with them through conversation. Maybe even write the stuff down like I just did; I know that's helped some people. Butt, of course, if you're not feeling up to exploring a character's innermost feelings, thoughts, likes, dislikes, various social masks, and how all this combined influences their decisions, then you can quietly dismiss what I just wrote and carry on being depressed without a conversational partner.

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