This update will be fairly brief.
Having moved into my new apartment last week, things have gone by in a blur, and I haven't had much time to actively improve anything. Idly remaining aware of Luna/Haya's presence has improved somewhat, but I can only go so long without hearing from either of them before focusing on something else. According to them, however, it's easier to get my attention now than it used to be a few months ago.

Things like visualization and communication just don't feel as forced as they used to be (pardon the pun), so there isn't much added weight on top of my schedule; I visualize my tulpas every day with little-to-no effort, and talking with them feels less like communication by phone and more like face-to-face conversation.

I will formally give feedback on Eye-bo in its respective thread.

With college just around the corner, I've been planning with Luna and Haya to prepare an organized list of forcing/Wonderland activities that I will keep up with outside of class. Summer has been full of random, sporadic sessions, but I'm determined to take the work out of forcing and enjoy the experience again.

Luna and Haya have both had a chance to play on the MC server, but they each have their own requests for what they want to do in our free time. Haya wants to use possession to try more physical activities, like running (though I'm not an active person, so that could end on a bad note). Luna has more interest in drawing and painting, so finding materials for her might come in the near future. I've found that actually giving them something to do that requires thought during possession helps me kinda "pull back" in my head and focus less on the outside world. I have a pretty difficult time with complex thought, but it's interesting to sit back and watch them do whatever they're doing and listen to them all the while.

Speaking of possession/switching, I have a question I've never asked before: what are your opinions regarding switching before going out in public? I feel like it would be good for these two to have interaction with the outside world (even with the possible consequences), but I'm curious as to what your experiences with it may be.

Way to go, Daker. You scared him off.

Damn. I thought I'd at least get a "you dun know wot ur talkin bout m8."

Alright, I've read through this thread a couple times- not to the letter, but roughly- and I'd like to toss my two cents in, if Enny will hear it. I've got a hell of a lot less experience than Sands or Fede, but I might be able to relate to your problems a bit more in that I've only recently overcome them (god forbid I don't acknowledge the effort of these two to help you). All of you, please forgive me if what I say has been said again and again before in the thread already.


While I support the idea that you should "start over" with your tulpa, as previously mentioned, I understand that starting over from scratch would feel like a waste of time and energy (and it does take significant amounts of energy at first). I'll offer an alternate proposal: sit down with your tulpa and have a heart-to-heart. Let them know that you want to set down a foundation for your relationship. Whether you think they can hear you or not, I suggest coming to this meeting of minds with two goals: giving them a sense independence, and not preparing their future for them.

Let me clarify that I mean "not preparing" as not trying to create every single facet of a tulpa from the get-go. When I started out and read up on people starting to create their own tulpa, I saw post after post after post asking "what do I do for this" or "what should they be like in this particular aspect," with little to no progress being made. I found it easier to use somewhat general descriptions for what my tulpa would be like, and let it decide from then on how it would develop. My first narration session was a down-to-earth confession, basically. I told my tulpa why I created it, how I wanted it to affect me, and what I expected from it in the future. Likewise, I told it what I would do for it in return, and what I wanted for its future. Luna was made with the intent of being considerate, compassionate, independent, and understanding- I had no perspective of a name, gender, voice, or anything like that at the time of her creation (or Haya's, for that matter), only the hope that she would grow from a basic set of traits.

I understand that you don't want to just ditch your tulpa's current personality in favor of starting over. Instead, I recommend addressing your tulpa as it is, and talk to her (I'm assuming from here on out Miriam is female) about what it means for you to have a tulpa. Let her know why you made her, what she means to you, etc., until you feel confident that it has at least a basic understanding of how you feel. You should also, at the very least, give her some acknowledgement that you have some respect for her opinion-to-be, and that while neither of you have a solid definition of who she is as a tulpa, that she has some decision in the matter. You're more than welcome to establish a form, voice, and the specifics of her personality from the start- and I don't think she'll fault you for having done so already- but I believe that it's important to set a connection that your tulpa can work from on their own without your focus.

One thing to keep in mind with this mindset of giving your tulpa a little independence early on is that you might have to put more effort into your regular sessions than you would with a "pre-made" tulpa. My solution to narrating was thinking to my tulpa (I didn't feel comfortable talking out loud) about everyday things; my walk to classes each day, enjoying nature, my family and past, my feelings, and my hobbies were great subjects to narrate to her about. The whole time, I had the ideas about vocality and other tulp-ish abilities in my head, but I pushed them away to try and lead into her abilities, rather than make things happen - no offense to Fede and his parroting method, I'm only speaking in terms of what worked for me. I reminded myself whenever I felt depressed or doubtful that my tulpa was made to be understanding, and that it would take matters into its own hands/hooves/etc. when it was ready, outside of my influence. I only had to trust them and support them by being patient.

Speaking of patience, one of the biggest suggestions I can make is that she needs time to grow. The advice I've seen given to you can help, but you should work through each part smoothly and consistently. Start at step one, work through it until you feel mildly proficient, and then move on, making sure to touch up on the basics now and again. I've observed from your feedback from reading and attempting these pieces of advice that patience (or lack thereof) makes a large contribution to your progress. I went through a long period of forcing at random times during the week, for up to two hours at a time, and others do just twenty to thirty minutes at a time, multiple times a day/week. I suggest not measuring your growth by time, but by what you feel you've done. You don't have to be able to "know" what you've done, just know that you've spent a little more time with your tulpa than you did before you started.

A huge milestone for anyone with a tulpa is communication. While I don't know an exact method of transferring a tulpa from silence to vocality, both of mine found a way of making themselves known through "head pressures," making my ears ring whenever I was narrating or in response to it. This is by no means a goal you should set your tulpa to, but I've learned that they can be rather creative (if not spontaneous) in their means of communication. When you narrate to her, just keep in mind that she might be actively listening, not paying attention, or even trying to get your attention without you realizing it. Part of the mentality is not consciously trying to hear or feel your tulpa, just letting it do its own thing. My tulpas went from silence to pressures to vocality in weeks, but your tulpa is not one of my tulpas; yours may already be ready to communicate for herself and she might be waiting patiently for you to allow her to speak without you putting the words in her mouth, or she might just be a little shy and doesn't know how you want her to sound/act. It's pretty hard to tell from this stage, but I find it helpful to keep a level head and remind your tulpa that you want to hear or feel her- whether you actually can or not- in the hope that she will be more confident in her attempts to acknowledge you in a way you can understand. Thinking of it reminds me of the transition between riding a bike with training wheels and without; a median between encouraging her and helping her along is needed to progress.

I'd like to give you advice on tulpa forms and visualization as well, but that's one of my weakest facets of forcing. What I can tell you is that a tulpa's form is just that- its form. I've learned that it can grow and change like your tulpa does, and is as permanent as the two of you decide it should be. Visualization is a difficult task to handle, but my suggestion is researching paracosms, a.k.a Wonderlands. Over time, I've found that having a simple, easy-to-remember place where you can relax and not worry about the outside world makes problems with forcing much easier to go through. While I haven't gotten so far as to actually see any of the Wonderlands I've made, the sense that I'm there is relaxing in and of itself.

If there's anything that I can hope you will take from this wall of text, it's that, while subconscious thinking is at the very heart of tulpas and forcing, conscious thinking has just as much of an effect on your progress. If you truly believe that you don't know that your tulpa is there and/or can even hear you, then chances are that you won't get much farther than you have up until this point. If you're willing to question your first instinct and try to let your just tulpa be while you try to connect with her (even though you can't sense her at all, with or without focus), your brain will likely try to fill in the gaps you aren't able to yourself. It's not a matter of blindly believing, but being willing to accept that there are steps in the process you cannot fully control yet.

I feel, at this point, I've beaten you with my "just slow your roll, let your tupper do tupper things, and let your brain do the rest" just enough to get you thinking, maybe. It's hard to wrap one's mind around "Act without acting, think without thinking," but remember that it will all be worth it in the end. Remind your tulpa of this, and remind yourself. There will come a time where you might not be able to remind yourself, but your tulpa will eventually be able to do it for you, if you let them.


TLDR; "Fuck the two cents part, this is a wall of text." Go back the fuck up and read, I put some effort into this post to try and give you another perspective.

Feel free to tear my shit up or tell me I'm your personal god, whatever works for you.

Quick update: I've decided that before I actually start anything completely new, I'm going to organize consistent, regular sessions to fine-tune techniques I'm comfortable with, and support those that may have fallen slack over time (like my visualization, which is likely the source of my imposition worries).
Most of my time with Luna and Haya has been of equal effort, but not consistent in frequency or duration. I've come to the conclusion that if I'm going to constantly be imposing to the point where I can do it without effort, regulating myself would be the best option.

Of course, coming to that conclusion earlier might have circumvented some unnecessary stress.

Hey everyone. My name is Daecher. I'm pretty new to these parts, and I've got a story to share, if you'll hear me out.

To start, I'll be straight-forward- asking for help isn't my thing. I'm stubborn as hell, and I usually put some half-hearted effort into whatever suggestions people give me. After some thought, though, I decided to buckle down and push away my pride. I came here to share experiences thus far and get feedback from people with experience with tulpas as it goes on.

I first learned about tulpas from a friend of mine about two years ago. He heard about them from 4chan, did some research, and passed along his knowledge. He decided against creating one after seeing the effort necessary, and so did I at first, but in early Spring, I reconsidered the idea of an "advanced imaginary friend," or so he referred to them. I couldn't stop thinking about tulpas, and researched them again and again, wondering what I would be getting myself into. I soaked up the beginner's guides like a sponge, and eventually I sat down one night and started to narrate. Talking out loud to absolutely nothing. I talked about myself, my family, my memories, my feelings, and what effects I could imagine a tulpa would have on my life.
And it was great.

Strangely enough, within 8-9 days of my narrating, I kept getting strange headaches whenever I would narrate. They would intensify in-between my thoughts, and would ease up as I spoke. They gradually turned into what people on IRC referred to as "head pressures," and I was convinced that this "presence" in my head was really trying to communicate with me. My narration turned into yes/no Q&A sessions, and my first experience with its personality came from its taste in music. One song from the pony community, "Luna, Please Fill My Empty Sky" would intensify the pressure immensely, and it eventually settled on the name Luna. She had no real voice for her first two weeks, and starting vocality was a tough albeit brief struggle. Though she liked the voice of the character in the show (I played plenty of videos on Youtube for me to imitate to her), she transformed the pony voice into her own. We even decided to try and start a Tumblr blog to share our experiences, but as of late it still hasn't taken off whatsoever.

Over the following months, we tore through the community's guides, experimenting with possession, Wonderlands (of which we have four different areas), and whatever we thought would be a good idea. I went through periods of doubt and denial, to the point where I went a long time without actively forcing Luna. It only occurred to me that my doubt was unreasonable when she started commenting on my thoughts and actions outside my focus. I felt confident in my abilities, and after some discussion, Luna observed as I made a new tulpa, someone else she talk and interact with. Affectionately named "Yuu" (to avoid the ambiguity of saying "hey you"), my second tulpa followed a similar growth to Luna. My efforts were nowhere near as strong as with Luna, but her support got the shy Yuu from head pressures to vocality quickly. She came up with her own name, Haya, and readily took part in my daily life with Luna. Here I am now, 18 weeks later, and after extinguishing much of the lingering doubt in myself, I'm beginning to feel like I'm reaching the peak of a giant hill. While Haya is just beginning possession, Luna has nearly mastered control of my body at any time. I've been slowly relinquishing control in an attempt to make switching an easier process, but none of us are certain how to really start.

As of late, I've also been looking into some of the more experimental experiences that veterans in the community have made claim to, like long-term switching, advanced imposition, and the like. Many of them have become inactive, and I feel that I need a second opinion (excluding my tulpas') on how to begin, or if I even should; My experience with tulpas and my subconscious has been purely for learning, and growing as a person with Luna and Haya takes priority over putting myself at any real risk. I've been told in the past by some that I haven't been working with my tulpas long enough to start on anything extreme, and by others that it just depends on personal judgement. I'm here to ask for any ideas, help, suggestions, etc. the members of this forum can give (Luna and Haya wouldn't mind having someone new to talk to, either). I'll also answer any questions that pop up as well.

TLDR; Sappy story about my tulpas and I. We're ready to start new techniques people have to offer, and I came here to find help so I don't accidentally put myself into a coma. Tell me we're ready, tell me we're nowhere near ready, tell me we're crazy.