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Sorryman

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A redo.
« on: January 07, 2015, 09:22:15 AM »
I think it's time to go ahead and do a reboot.

Somewhere close to 3 years ago I tried making a tulpa. I half-assed it thoroughly. I felt that I didn't do it right. I had countless doubts and never really seemed to get anything to work, but I still think Shy was "real" to a degree. I had her in my head for a few years but life took a turn for the worse. I stopped forcing, and ultimately, forget of her altogether.

So I've decided that I will begin traversing a slow road to starting again. I have an idea of what I'm getting into and know of my previous mistakes. This time around, I'm going to exercise as little control as possible. I won't be giving it a name and I plan on giving it a small number of traits that are purposely vague as can be.

It feels like the right thing to do - letting a failure remain just that, a failure. I won't be picking up on my previous work and have no plans to ever do so in the future. I want to start fresh, and it just feels right.

I haven't ironed out many details yet. I'm not sure what to put for the exact traits as of now. I will write more, even if no one reads this. I just don't know when I will write more, is all.

Thanks for reading.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2015, 09:31:41 AM by Sorryman »
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Re: A redo.
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2015, 09:28:04 AM »
Go force faggot.

When it comes to traits and stuff, I'm not even sure how much those affect the end result. I always saw any kind of personality forcing as narration for babies, as it's an easy subject to talk about. While it might influence the tupper at the start, as they live and experience the world, they are going to grow and become the person they really are. Not some random adjectives some random douche chose for them.

Re: A redo.
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2015, 09:45:34 AM »
I have great expectations for your soon-to-be bassoon! Now get to action and start working that woodpipe

Re: A redo.
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2015, 09:51:53 AM »
Go force faggot.

When it comes to traits and stuff, I'm not even sure how much those affect the end result. I always saw any kind of personality forcing as narration for babies, as it's an easy subject to talk about. While it might influence the tupper at the start, as they live and experience the world, they are going to grow and become the person they really are. Not some random adjectives some random douche chose for them.

They give direction to the early forcing process. Talking about traits you want in a tulpa for a long time will help you understand those traits, find out what they mean on a deeper level and if you're doing it like how we did, you'll think about how those traits manifest in a person. Regardless of whether or not the traits you try to implant will be present in the tulpa, you will have a better understanding of the depth of certain personality traits, which will allow for a tulpa with more depth as well, I reckon.

And yeah, I agree with that mindset. Once your tulpa starts exploring the world outside you, talking to other people and learning from different influences, you'll probably find their personality developing much faster than it did before.

Dutch mentions that Fluttershy is hot.

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Re: A redo.
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2015, 10:14:07 AM »


They give direction to the early forcing process. Talking about traits you want in a tulpa for a long time will help you understand those traits, find out what they mean on a deeper level and if you're doing it like how we did, you'll think about how those traits manifest in a person. Regardless of whether or not the traits you try to implant will be present in the tulpa, you will have a better understanding of the depth of certain personality traits, which will allow for a tulpa with more depth as well, I reckon.


I see it as a way to influence them from the start. It gives the personality basically a push in a direction until their experiences shape what they are. Basically what you said.


And yeah, I agree with that mindset.


Dutch mentions Fluttershy is hot.
She had a human form for the majority of her time.

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Re: A redo.
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2015, 11:23:22 AM »
Yeah so in the end it doesn't really matter, so chill and proceed without worries. Narrate about faggotry, young faggot.

By faggot I mean bassoon.

Re: An undo.
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2015, 01:09:50 PM »
I wouldn't be surplised if the yogi were referring to the human version anyway. Boobs galore. They're big and fun to look at. Also useful for other purposes. We have the mega sweet person to thank, or blame. You choose.

I find it unfortunate that you're doing the symbolic narration of trait shit. I did the narration of traits once, and in comparison to simply making the tupper do stuff according to its personality instead of sitting on my arse and meticulously describing its personality out in thin air, I can very safely say the "personality forcing" is a waste of time. That is not to say it doesn't work; it likely will if you keep at it and are very patient. It's just that you can save yourself a large amount of time by skipping the crap and simply parroting the tupper like my guide recommends. It's ten times easier, more fun, and doesn't feel like homework.

Want further reason for why I recommend using my method? Consider the following: Everyone's personality is different and can never be accurately be described in any language, no matter how many traits and sentences you try to think of. Watching a person employ a personality tells much more about their personality than a twelve-page essay about said personality ever will. All the minute details like facial expressions, gait, body language, tone of voice, emotional reactions, and other features too numerous to mention can only be truly expressed by simply doing them, not describing them. Save yourself time and effort, and jump straight to the meat of the process: place your tupper in reality, put yourself in its mindset, interact with it when it's present, and work on hallucinating things through your senses, instead of wasting time on this tedious, introductory "personality forcing" activity.

Screw narrating about mundane subjects, when you can just watch the personality unfold as you work on the tupper and fledge it out over a period of time, until you're satisfied with the end result and want to let your unconscious thoughts randomly deviate features from that point on. Not to mention that it's much easier to interact with the tupper, too. You'll of course have to let go of the whole "totally real person that is not imagination but a separate consciousness wow" thing, or you'll just be facing doubts over which thought belongs to "whom". When everything created in your head is imagination, you're free to do so much more, instead of being bound by rules and ethics. Don't take something you created and then say it's no longer imagination. I learned that my own way.

Moreover, you should probably also think of a more specific design for the tupper. I'm not at all a fan of the whole idea of "letting the tupper create itself", so I never recommend it. My reason is that going along that path just means you'll get something that appears as a spur of the moment kind of thing; what you just unconsciously happened to think at the time that the particular feature appears, be it a particular animal, body figure, hair colour, type of clothing, and so on. It might not even be something you truly like; your unconscious mind just randomly made it appear, and the unconscious mind is full of random shit that very often has nothing to do with anything, or at any rate is only something related to something you recently experienced, as recent experiences tend to linger in the unconscious for a while before being further buried in one's mind. For example, if you recently spent a whole week playing some Zelda game or another and then immediately proceeded to make a tupper, chances are you'd get something Zelda-related just because that's what you recently experienced, and not because it has a super significance to you as a person whatsoever.

Too many people tend to glorify the unconscious mind like it "tells us who we are" or "what we really want". What is the actual case is that the unconscious mind is a giant turd of primitive, automatic behaviour that fills most of one's head. Your conscious self tells more about you than your unconscious thoughts do. This is why I instead recommend having a very clear and concise idea of what kind of tupper you want to make, instead of assuming that "the unconscious mind knows what's best", because it doesn't. It just spews something out that, again, happens to be in your head at that precise moment. Had you attempted to make a tupper any other day or time, something probably entirely different would've appeared. And that's capricious and hardly reliable. I dunno about you, but I'd much rather create a tupper that I'm confident is someone of whom I'd enjoy the company, rather than "let the unconscious decide" and hope it'd be something I'd like.

tl;dr: Use my method. Long post but who gives a damn.

Re: A redo.
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 03:45:52 PM »
I'll rate your method 4/10

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Re: A redo.
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 04:57:17 PM »
Git gud or go home

Re: A penis.
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2015, 04:19:55 AM »
Nothing is sacred. Once imagination, forever imagination.

Re: A redo.
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2015, 08:44:22 AM »
You'll always be my imagination, baby.

This is a sign that Sorryman has to force more or his thread will be turned into a circlejerk where we cyber all day.

Re: A redo.
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2015, 10:36:01 AM »
I cum.

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Re: You motherfuckers
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2015, 11:07:43 AM »
This isn't meant for circlejerking, goddamn.
I have no time for time, only results.

Re: A redo.
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2015, 11:35:26 AM »
Maybe you should force more then.

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Re: Wunderbar Wonderlands.
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2015, 05:26:13 AM »
I have been resting and visualizing my wonderland for the past two days.

It's virtually unchanged since it's last rendition. It's a small cottage, and pristine lake in front of it with some willow trees, and a flat grassy plain surrounded by snow-capped mountains.

It seems my skills at visualizing haven't degregated terribly -- I can still get a somewhat clear image if I concentrate enough, which is where I will utilize Eye-Bo to improve.

I feel this is a good start. I don't have the visualization problems I did the first time I tried years ago. Bodies don't morph and shit when I imagine them and images aren't so contorted. The good thing is that my skills can only improve from here on out.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 05:28:39 AM by Sorryman »
I have no time for time, only results.