Author Topic: Meromero Days  (Read 130042 times)

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2015, 01:33:09 PM »
Timer is a good addition. Schedules don't work for everyone but if you're serious and are the kind that will easily get distracted/forget, giving yourself one is a good way to get actual results and make sure you actually do some work. Just be sure to make it personal enough that it works for you.

How does a 2D tupper feel like? Visualization is more than just what you see, I think. Do you only limit yourself to that or is there more?

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2015, 11:47:40 PM »
Feel like? Not sure how to answer that. I don't think it's too different from having a 3D tulpa, just that you get to disregard realism and apply traits that only exist in drawings.

When I talk about visualization, I just mean visual stuff. I honestly haven't thought too much about the rest yet. I've been doing some touch, it's not a big focus for me right now, but feeling her up helps me get a sense of her as a physical presence, which helps me focus on her. I wanna learn auditory hallucination eventually, but it seems a little harder to practice on. Smell is a little tough since I don't have any reference. Any way I can figure out how cute girls smell like without getting myself arrested? And taste... things like that should only happen between two consenting parties!

Beyond purely physical sense, there's another thing I've thought a little about lately: The idea of sensing a presence. Like, if you sit across the room from someone, even if you close your eyes and can't hear them or sense them in any other way, there's usually a very distinct awareness that the person is there. Not a sense in itself, but a feeling you get based on information you've already gathered with your senses. I feel that I used to be more aware of this when forcing, but kinda forgot about it when I became too caught up in more concrete things like being able to see her visually.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2015, 08:20:54 AM »
Wow Fodde giving out helpful advice instead of just saying to do things his way...

I always found bringing in other senses to be helpful with visualization. I don't think my sight was my best mental sense, but touch seemed to be. That's why I could usually feel things I couldn't see and by feeling I was able to see. I don't know if you have any sense that is better than the other, but you might and you might be able to use it. And for smell, well, you could really pick any smell you like. Spices, perfume, shampoo, something. Smell can be extremely simple and I have found that it's pretty easy to impose. Might not be the same in your case, but hey. Smell is one of those senses that people don't really think about but it tends to play a big part in our lives and memories.

Be sure to write in the tulpa taste thread when you taste a tupper...

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2015, 04:35:28 PM »
Any way I can figure out how cute girls smell like without getting myself arrested? And taste... things like that should only happen between two consenting parties!
Either you have your lgf or you don't.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015, 01:55:49 PM »
Okay, that was a fucking bad idea. And I can't even say I wasn't warned.

Turning something into an obligation can be beneficial, it allows you to draw on willpower to motivate you rather than just mood. But when you're short on willpower, it falls apart. And you know what will occasionally come along to steal away all your spare willpower? Real life.

So it worked for a little while. I felt that making myself dedicate long stretches of time helped me immerse myself more in the forcing. But then I realized I should really be studying for the upcoming exams (if you think my tulpaforcing habits are bad, you should look at my study habits). So I haven't really been forcing for the past ...2 weeks? Goddamnit time, slow down a little.

The absolutely worst is over, but these are still stressful times, so I have to change something about this if I want to make any progress this month (which I do). When reading about study technique, I read about a concept called interleaved practice, which is basically just a fancy term for mixing shit up, as opposed to doing the same shit for hours on end before moving on. Apparently this boosts learning quite a bit, keeps your mind on edge, I guess. I'm gonna try this out the coming days with studying, but I think it could also apply to forcing. Some visualization here, some narration there, a good sniff when the mood strikes, all hopefully adding together for a day filled with tulpa interaction. I'm not sure if it's more productive, but it sounds a lot easier to do, since I'd be riding short bursts of motivation, rather than trying to summon the willpower to put aside life completely for a long forcing session.

In other words, it would let me tulpaforce for fun. I completely forgot about having fun, and fun is pretty fucking important when you're already spending a good part of your day not having fun. If anyone has any additional advice for how to change my mindset and have more fun, I'll gladly receive it.

Oh, I should point out that that Fede post up there is great. I'll definitely be using that as my visualization method from now on. The top down approach gives me some visual information to focus on even if I can't make out every single detail, which means I don't feel like I "failed" to visualize her unless I got every detail down. It's like remembering to put up your canvas before you start painting.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015, 02:12:40 PM »
Yeah I would always suggest you to try which one works for you better: long forcing sessions or short ones. Some people need the extra time to get in the MOOD, but for some people (especially busy people or people who get distracted easily), shorter ones work the best. It's easier to set aside like 10 minutes right now or something and do it multiple times a day.

Have you had enough cake with your tupper yet? And better yet: what do you think is fun?

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2015, 06:07:44 AM »
Fun things are fun. In regards to tulpaforcing? It's honestly a little tough to answer. I feel that the truly fun things will come after she gains some vocality. Playing video games together, either working together to beat a single player game or playing against each other hot seat style. Watching, reading or listening to something and discuss it afterwards. Make things together. Sit down with a morning coffee together and discuss the decline of humanity. Go on fantasy adventures in wonderland together. Tulpasex. There's no shortage of fun things to do when I feel I got reliable two way interaction with her. But before that, what is there? Narration can be satisfying, since sometimes I just feel like rambling about something and don't really need a reply, but only in moderation. Wonderland can be a nice place to hang out, but it's not as fun as video games.

I'll bake a tulpacake for her later today.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2015, 07:44:40 AM »
Well no, what things do you find fun so we can see if there's something that might work for you here as well. I'm sure you have thought all about what will be fun when you finally have that vocal tupper, that's the entire reason you are forcing, isn't it? But we want to avoid that mentality and find things that are fun to do now.

You could narrate while playing video games as well. Your playing will most likely suffer a bit if you keep your attention on the tupper and you want to watch out that you don't get distracted by the game, but that's a thing.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2015, 05:18:13 AM »
Oh, that makes sense. I might have been approaching this with a too future-oriented mindset.

Generally I enjoy stuff like anime, video games, eroge, and music. Things that I've found it hard to incorporate into tulpaforcing without taking away too much focus from it.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2015, 07:53:13 AM »
Better start singing duets with tupper.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2015, 06:40:17 AM »
Jesus Christ, it's been over a month? I really need to find a way to deal with exam stress without sacrificing on other important things.

With the little forcing I've done since last time, I'd expect to regress a little, but I actually realized something the other day, a very subtle but notable feeling. I'm not alone. No, there's not a constant feeling of presence yet, and I can easily go a long time without remembering I have company if I'm occupied with something. But when I stop and think about it, it's really hard to convince myself I'm alone. When I talk to myself in my head like I've been doing my whole life, I suddenly feel silly for talking to myself when others are around. This might just be belief made into habit after reaffirming it over a long period of time, but even that is an important step, right?

The past few days I've been taking walks for no reason other than to enjoy the sunlight or the fresh night air, and with no immediate distractions around, it's easy to see it as just spending time with her. It's mostly been a spontaneous thing, but I might make it into a habit, since it's enjoyable and I like sharing enjoyable moments with her.

I've also decided to take meditation more seriously. I've known for a long time that I get distracted by little things so easily that I can hardly even live my life properly. Last month I concluded that I could just accept that and live more capriciously, constantly switching between tasks and doing what interests me most at the time. Which seemed pretty reasonable at the time due to that whole interleaved learning principle. But after thinking more about it, there's something seriously wrong when I can get distracted after 2 minutes while doing something I honestly find fun and rewarding, but I can spend hours being lost in some mindless timesink game that I don't even know why I'm playing. And I think meditation is the key to solving this paradox, for reasons that should be obvious enough that I don't need to go into it. With all the potential benefits meditation has for tulpaforcing, I don't think anyone can afford not to do it.

Oh, and I put up post-it notes. All over my apartment. Passive forcing reminders. Not sure how much it helps, since they quickly fade into the background when I start getting used to them, but they certainly can't hurt.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2015, 08:01:39 AM »
Wear something on your hand that you constantly feel and are able to see when you look down as a reminder.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2015, 07:41:22 AM »
You'll get used to anything, so the only reasonable solution with a physical reminder is to shake things up very regularly. Maybe get a watch and anchor wearing it to thinking about your tulpa, and every time you get used to it, change the wrist, make it looser or tighter, get a second watch with a different weight and band material. Or do it with any kind of armband.

Or tattoo your tulpa's kawaii anime face on your dick, so you remember her every time you fap.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2015, 12:24:39 PM »
Woah, Fede bringing on the heat.

I'm not apathetic, I'm just worthless at anything that requires consistent effort.

Re: Meromero Days
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2015, 11:41:34 AM »
Okay, bear with me while I try to figure this out, because your insistence that my failures are caused by apathy, or any synonym of it, has some pretty far reaching implications for me.

I could just conclude that you're telling me to give up because I don't care enough about this. But if you've been reading my posts, it should be pretty clear that my lack of dedication is not exclusive to tulpaforcing, it applies to everything I set out to achieve. Studying, exercising, clearing my backlog, keeping my apartment tidy, sorting my porn folder, and so on. For some of these, it might be true that I don't really want it enough to ever achieve it, the porn folder being an example where I've just rationally concluded "my desire to achieve this is outweighed by my desire to not spend time on it". But for most goals, it's impossible for me to conclude that I don't really want to achieve them. I know that exercising regularly makes me happy, it's proven by science and I've experienced it myself many, many times. I also know that I want to be happy, I don't see how I can not want that. But despite all rational thought saying that I should do it, sometimes I end up not doing it. Because there's a non-rational part of my brain that doesn't understand the concept of long-term happiness, and instead always tries to seek instant gratification, and sometimes this part of my brain somehow ends up calling the shots. I guess I could just call it the id. My id is being a cunt and won't shut up.

Assuming this all makes sense, there's a few different things I could do to resolve the disagreement.
a) Just conclude that what id wants is what I want and let it have its way, giving up on tulpaforcing, cancelling my gym membership, dropping out of college, and spend the rest of my life fapping, drinking beer and eating pizza. And in case this sounds like a good outcome, keep in mind that id is too stupid to figure out how to obtain the money to buy beer and pizza with.
b) Get better control of my id so I can stop it from making decisions for me. This is essentially what I'm already trying to do by stepping up my meditation game.
c) Brainwash id into thinking that it actually wants the same things I do. I was actually thinking about something like this earlier today, isn't this kinda what you aim to do with your belief implanting?

Would any of these satisfy you?