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This makes two
« on: October 17, 2013, 11:01:44 PM »
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« Last Edit: February 18, 2016, 02:40:26 PM by Sands »

Re: This farts two
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 12:52:23 AM »
Don't watch it on your eye-pod. You're missing the point in that case. That little "screen" won't flash your eyes worth a damn. And then, oh look: there's no visual entrainment. Then it's only auditory entrainment, and that's only half as effective.

What you do while using it is optional, but if you read the page, you'd know at least some of the things you could do in order to strengthen your visualisation skills. I ask you to go and read the page the again, because if I didn't know any better, you just skimmed the entire thing and jumped straight to the download links and grabbed... Constant Alpha... because Makeshift found it useful. Yeah, seems to me you didn't read anything. Not that I really know, but your uninformed views reflect such a guess. How much you can or should use it is also something I explain on the page.

Shapes and colours are probably the only things your supposedly weak visual cortex can work out because you're likely not used to hallucinating anything (are you?), so phosphene imagery is the next-best thing you're probably gonna be seeing for a while.

Also pretty hilarious to hear you're gonna use it in the weekend "because there's more time". Like those kind of people that go all "Man, I'm gonna make a tupper during summer because then I'll have time for it." because their daily schedule is packed up with vidya and "studies" and what do you know, even though those people in many, many cases have at least an hour to set off for work on a tupper. They just can't be arsed. Eh, anyway, I guess I shouldn't be too assumptious here, but it's familiar, you'll have to agree on that.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:44:53 AM by Fede »

Re: This makes fart
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 07:25:33 AM »
Your description of your ability to visualise is very fluctuating. During the night, where you're not working on any specific visual, you can see "just fine and dandy", but when you're actively trying to "work" on a visual, your visualisation skills are suddenly "shite"? And you've been doing this for 12 years, despite still attending classes and living with your father? Sounds like a lucid dreaming thing that carried over as a simple activity from childhood, at least to me. Of course, I would like you to elaborate on this apparent "dynamic ability to visualise".

How you can use them is described in the "Long-Term Use" chapter. To quote:

The "Don't mute the video." thing is because it's a likely scenario that some dude would prefer to mute the video in question and then put on some playlist in the background. While this is perfectly okay, it's generally recommended to listen to the noise pulses instead, as they aid in the entrainment and are only there to help the listener, not bother him.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:44:48 AM by Fede »

Re: This makes two
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 07:49:34 AM »
Hey, I see you actually joined here. Hah, wasn't really expecting it but hey, if you find useful stuff here then that's great. We already talked about things before so I don't think if there's anything new to add right now. I'll leave Fede to talk with you about his Eye-Bo thing.

Also Fede, I can say from experience that it's possible to be pretty good at daydreaming and then have everything go fuzzy when you work on tuppers, but that of course got better as I did it more. Dunno why, but somehow it happened.

Re: This mafartkes two
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 07:55:09 AM »
Kinda like when the politician described his fuzzy greying effect when staring at Barry for too long. I can relate. It makes things look funny. The thing is that Enny makes it sound like he's like totally vividly hallucinating clear as day, but then when he says "at night", lucid dreaming immediately comes to mind. But I'll let him answer.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:44:41 AM by Fede »

Re: Fart makes two
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 11:08:27 AM »
Criticising is my job, blud.

I think you and I interpret "seeing fine and dandy" differently, then. When I think of that, I'm thinking along the lines of actual closed-eyed hallucinations that you can see with your very eyes, as opposed to getting caught up in some sort of daydream where you merely know what everything and everyone looks like and is doing, but can't really see in the literal (as opposed to figurative) sense of the word; like, non-mind's eye, but actual eyes, you see. And using italics is just fun, isn't it.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:44:37 AM by Fede »

Re: This farts two
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 03:12:44 PM »
Narrating about pokeymangs...? Oh, yeah, right, I guess I kinda also forgot you're not using my method. Perhaps just some of it, yeah? Those gay exercises and all this? Also I had no idea what this Homecoming thing was until you mentioned it. It looks like one of those American traditions that have been bent all outta shape but people just "celebrate" anyway. Not that I can confirm this. I just have a tendency to assume things about American life sometimes. I probably shouldn't.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:44:33 AM by Fede »

Re: This makes tfartwo
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 03:53:44 PM »
Your texting reaches similar weirdness levels.

Must really be awesome to have someone stepping inside your room so you can be reaffirmed that you have no real privacy. Glad I'm not you. No offence. Also, get in #tuppers if you aren't there already.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:44:29 AM by Fede »

Re: Thfartis makes two
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 04:08:45 PM »
There are many IRC clients available, but if you prefer to not install anything, you can use Mibbit. Select Rizon as the network, type in your preferred nickname, and use #tuppers as the channel.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:44:23 AM by Fede »

Re: This makes two
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2013, 06:10:03 AM »
Imposition, yes, that is what I would call it. Your tulpa is with you and you are trying to hallucinate them in some way. Perhaps it is not the sight you are working on at the moment, but you are definitely trying to hallucinate something, yes? Saying it is imposition isn't wrong, though you could of course say what exactly the goal of the sessions you are having is to others, if you want to.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2013, 08:37:36 AM »
Well yeah, feeling of something that isn't actually there is a hallucination. Imposition, woot.

What do you even mean by measuring? If you know how high the tulpa is compared to something, just get a measuring tape. Is there someone who doesn't own one?

Anyways, as a sort of artist, I know a lot about motivation. And the most important thing I know about it is that you can't wait for it or it never comes. You just need to start it and keep at it. Motivation either comes or doesn't, but you're not getting anything done unless you just start doing it. In fact, you're probably going to get motivation and inspiration as you work instead of just waiting and hoping for it to come.

Re: This farts two
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2013, 09:30:40 AM »
I remember someone talking about the "mirror method" once; you look at yourself through a mirror and imagine the tupper next to you. That's a start for measurement, anyway. What I like to do, in case I somehow screw it up, is tell myself "her X reaches to my Y", or "my X reaches to her Y". My eyes reach to her mouth, for instance. Then I impose accordingly. There's a lot of tricks you can do if you just experiment.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2013, 09:52:25 AM »
Well, seeing that I only did 30 minute sessions... Though multiple ones per day, I guess. You could easily have very short sessions and then just have more of that stuff, maybe that's even better than sitting down for two hours every day. Easier to find time to do it, at least. And well, some people just start getting distracted or tired if they force for too long and basically get nothing done after some point.

And well yeah Fede, but it's hard to get exact measurements he was after without actually measuring them. Measuring tapes don't cost that much, though, just buy one. It's a useful tool to have in life anyways, so no need to not get one.

I use myself to help with the scale too, but seeing that tupper is a lot taller than me, having him stand next to something only allows me to create even more reference points for his exact height. And well, once you know tall a tulpa is compared to like say, a door, you can then easily measure that to know the exact height without any perspective fuck-uppery. That's kind of an issue for me, at least. Pretty hard to try to measure someone taller than you when you don't know where exactly their head ends and there's nothing physical to check by touch when my eyes don't reach.

Though I guess a mirror might help there but I have no full-body mirrors so.

Re: This makes two
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2013, 10:54:28 AM »
9 more days isn't really any time at all.

Re: This makes twfarto
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2013, 01:34:35 PM »
Then just stick to visualising with eyes closed until then, whoa. Unless that was implied, but it didn't seem like that.

Also, she doesn't reach your mirror? Who and what is your tupper, even? Give some details, if you don't mind.